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Re: Free energy memory




by Janic » 09/12/16, 18:14

The involuntary aspect lies in the finality of a global determinism which does not appear at the level of the small individual action.
I dont share this point of view. When the individual throws his cigarette on the ground or his garbage in general, he knows exactly what he is doing and is well aware that if everyone does as much the problem will become global, but he is indifferent until that it turns against him and then, but only then, except for a few special cases, he will stop worrying about it and, perhaps, change his behavior.
When I talk about meaty behavior at the individual level, it also concerns its consequences on the entire planet with deforestation as a result, exploitation of local populations and whatnot. But this calls for questioning OURSELVES and since this headlong rush will have to be stopped, it is with violence that individuals will have to "deprive themselves" of an expensive consumer product with pathological consequences, while awareness as soon as possible will make this passage easier, even beneficial for all populations and for the SS (in France) which finances the consequences.
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Re: Free energy memory




by Ahmed » 09/12/16, 18:37

I understand your objection, but I misunderstood: in reality the finality of determinism is not visible at the individual level or on a large scale, which is not the case with the consequences.
The latter appear as accidental correlative facts to our acts (we believe), while they are only the logical sequences of the reiterations of a "program" which unfolds imperturbably and insensitive to alteration. living conditions on earth, since this program is, although entirely carried out by humans, completely indifferent to their fate and behaves like a fetish external to them.
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Re: Free energy memory




by eclectron » 09/12/16, 19:21

Ahmed wrote:I understand your objection, but I misunderstood: in reality the finality of determinism is not visible at the individual level or on a large scale, which is not the case with the consequences.
The latter appear as accidental correlative facts to our acts (we believe), while they are only the logical sequences of the reiterations of a "program" which unfolds imperturbably and insensitive to alteration. living conditions on earth, since this program is, although entirely carried out by humans, completely indifferent to their fate and behaves like a fetish external to them.

Ahmed, make an effort of simplicity and clarity in the expression, there is no understanding of what you are talking about.
Stop wanting to phrasing like that, it becomes painful and incomprehensible.
Do not hide behind a so-called complexity of the subject that you are addressing: that which is well conceived is clearly stated.
Already said: short sentences, simple words.
There, I hardly guess where you are coming from ... and as already said you are the only one on multiple forum to do that, so make an effort stp.
After you see who you want to exchange ...
Unless it is a technique to avoid the contradiction? : Lol:
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Re: Free energy memory




by moinsdewatt » 09/12/16, 19:48

eclectron wrote:Superb synthesis work from a student in Master International Careers, thank you Janic.
https://mastercarrieresinternationales. ... mmes-nous/
She is obviously not a physicist and impresses me all the more because of her knowledge of the subject of free energy.
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The given link has nothing to do.
: Lol:

it's a free link?
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by eclectron » 09/12/16, 20:00

moinsdewatt wrote:
eclectron wrote:Superb synthesis work from a student in Master International Careers, thank you Janic.
https://mastercarrieresinternationales. ... mmes-nous/
She is obviously not a physicist and impresses me all the more because of her knowledge of the subject of free energy.
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The given link has nothing to do.
: Lol:

it's a free link?


uh ... well, it's a link to a blog about the training followed by the author of the memoir (his name is there).
It was to justify that she is not a physicist of training.
OK not easy to understand, is that it? : Lol:
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Re: Free energy memory




by Janic » 09/12/16, 20:04

The given link has nothing to do.
if you had given yourself the time to read the whole of the memoir, you could have noticed that it does not speak of free energy on the experimental level, but as a possible way for the future (when the means will exist). technical and human to access) black energy as dark matter are apprehended for a short time even if little understand something like Einstein's relativity or quantum physics admitted today.
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Re: Free energy memory




by moinsdewatt » 09/12/16, 20:29

this chick, I advise him to go to make another memoir, on the monster of Flying Spaghetti, and why the religion does not admit this new religion, which nevertheless should be able to be imposed.
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Re: Free energy memory




by sen-no-sen » 10/12/16, 00:11

This memoir is well written, but it is unfortunately part of a conception of energy issues very simplistic otherwise naive.
Thus, most of the themes that are tackled there are through a very idealistic and non-objective reading grid, in particular through a somewhat abusive use of the term "capitalism".
I think the author has actually not really grasped the deep modes of operation that are at work within the "system".
To this have added little an almost messianistic vision of the belief in a form of clean and unlimited energy that would deliver humanity from its condition.
This vision is of course far-fetched, and is neither more nor less than belief.

In reality, the economic system, based on the notion of exponential economism,would have any interest to develop an unlimited source of energy to satisfy its accumulation drive of abstract value (wink a Ahmed).
His research should also be completed soon (between 10 and 80 years) in the form of the mastery of thermonuclear fusion.
The question of the exploitation of the energy of the vacuum or the inversion of the entropy remains secondary in the end because the subject of this memoir deals above all with the notion of compatibility between unlimited energy source and economic system, rather than the notion of technical possibility.
Out of this point of view there is little to say that the author almost everything wrong ...

It is important to repeat, and to repeat again that it is too full of energy, and not are lack that constitutes a danger for the biosphere, and not the opposite !!!
And those some sources, renewable, or not.
This belief, unfortunately, too entrenched in the brains is a technological messianism.
In reality, if humanity were to master an unlimited source of energy (at least at scale) it would result in a proportional destruction of its environment, logically leading to our disappearance.

There is therefore nothing to expect from hypothetical research leading to a "free and unlimited source" ... because let us remember that all energy sources are free and virtually unlimited within the framework of a sober and efficient development. .. : roll:
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Re: Free energy memory




by Janic » 10/12/16, 08:56

In reality, if humanity were to master an unlimited source of energy (at least at scale) it would result in a proportional destruction of its environment, logically leading to our disappearance.

This is something we agree on as I pointed out. The discoveries of Marie Curie and her successors led to the atomic bombs not towards a better being of the fragile populations. When we open the pandora's bottle, we can not be surprised by the wounds that accompany it.
There is therefore nothing to expect from hypothetical research leading to a "free and unlimited source" ... because let us remember that all energy sources are free and virtually unlimited within the framework of a sober and efficient development. ..

in the framework of a sober and effective development .. It's also utopia. Since the hyperdevelopment of the industrial world, everything shows that it is the opposite that has occurred and a step back is not for tomorrow, voluntarily in any case.
for the rest, the subject of free energy could equally well concern any other subject. The bottom concerns the barrier of the thinking goods to the reins of the political powers, financial, educational, vis-a-vis what comes out of the beaten tracks; free energy (free from this system) is only one of these aspects among others. the neighboring subject on homeopathy (one among others as well) underlines it abundantly by the denigration, the claim to a monopoly without sharing, etc ...
Will it be possible to explain and use this particular energy, regardless, but will we succeed in changing the mentality of opposition by principle, it is much more difficult.
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Re: Free energy memory




by eclectron » 10/12/16, 09:37

While deepening the reading of the memoir (there are still some parts that I barely flew over), it is true that some biases annoy me a little.
For example the justification of the passage of the coal energy, to the oil energy.
Oil is much more convenient to mine and use than coal.
This is said in the memoir, but the main justification for this transition is a protective reaction of capitalism to trade unionism.
In my opinion it is rather a happy outcome for capitalism but not the engine. The engine being pragmatism, simply.

The author seems to show a militantism not always objective, even excessive.
Fool of youth, no doubt.
All of this is a matter of detail and she has grasped the springs that make free energy not studied.
subject of his memoir, I recall it.

sen-no-sen wrote:It is important to repeat, and to repeat again that it is too full of energy, and not are lack that constitutes a danger for the biosphere, and not the opposite !!!

Absolutely not, and it's important to repeat it and repeat it! : Lol:
It's the intelligence of the use we make of energy that is the problem.
In fact it is rather the lack of intelligence of our actions and the ignorance of their consequences which is problematic.
This is a problem of education and awareness of our actions.
The abundance of energy (clean) is not a problem in itself, on the contrary would be rather a problem in less.

: Arrow: The birth rate drops with standard of living and education.
The problem is We and our ignorance, not the abundant energy.
The energy shortage on the other hand would be a problem at the moment t.

sen-no-sen wrote:To this have added little an almost messianistic vision of the belief in a form of clean and unlimited energy that would deliver humanity from its condition.
This vision is of course far-fetched, and is neither more nor less than belief.

This view is just as much of belief, considering free energy as wacky.
A position without belief in the unknown would be: "I do not know" and not "I know it's far-fetched, since I do not know everything about it, (variant: or that I think I know everything about his subject) "
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