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by bamboo » 28/03/08, 18:22

Well somewhere, by dint of saying that the company attacks 4x4 too much and "there is worse elsewhere", I fear that yes, the jmenfoutistes do not feel reinforced in their convictions ...

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indy49 wrote:In short, you give reason to many people who could, if they wanted to, save some power plants and a few barrels of oil ... You give them justifications to continue to turn a blind eye to their own behavior. : Cry:


Hu? I do not know who you are targeting but if it is me you mean that by accusing governments of doing nothing I legitimize the "menfoutism" of the people?

Remundo: yes, do not you?
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by Flytox » 28/03/08, 18:32

Bonjour à tous

Not many people pay attention to everything they do ... and every day ... question of various and varied waste .... We can always try to improve and think about it as often as possible. I try not to miss the "big" points (on my scale of course : Mrgreen: ).

The last "good" point, during the renewal of a developing machine, as I was entitled to the chapter, I strongly urged the hierarchical to buy not the cheapest machine (almost half the price) but the more economical in use (savings on water consumption (consumption / 3! on 90 liters / hour 16h / day all year round .. we can look : Mrgreen: )

Usually it is not at all a criterion for him (the running costs are not charged to him) .... (the kind "My boy I have a budget to respect and other priorities ... !) he still bought the right machine. Yesssssssss !!!!!!

There is another point on my mind. On a large automated installation, there is an electric 150KW oven that works for hours and hours even when it is empty. All this because the management of the PLC program was made as simple as possible to quickly put into service.

At the next breakdown, when the automation engineer has the legs in the program, I will have suggestions for him ... it's the kind, with 2 or 3 lines of code developed in 1 half hour, we will gain several hours of heating per day without risk for the machine and the process. You just have to ask ... because everyone doesn't care ....:frown:

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by Christophe » 28/03/08, 18:36

indy49 wrote:Well somewhere, by dint of saying that the company attacks 4x4 too much and "there is worse elsewhere", I fear that yes, the jmenfoutistes do not feel reinforced in their convictions ...


:?: :?: :?:

Well that's what I want to denounce via scapegoats "on" (= the media) "unconscious" the majority of the population !!!

In other words: we are ALL responsible and guilty ... some bcp more than others that's all ...
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by Arthur_64 » 28/03/08, 18:46

Christophe wrote:
Remundo: yes, do not you?


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by Remundo » 28/03/08, 19:33

Make an Econology Foundation ... this is a beautiful and ambitious project ... requiring reflection : Idea: but surely worth it 8)
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by bamboo » 29/03/08, 15:29

Well done Flytox!

Christophe wrote:Well that's what I want to denounce via scapegoats "on" (= the media) "unconscious" the majority of the population !!!


Yes, I understood your point of view, but we must not either (in my opinion) say that 4x4 do not pollute much because they are not numerous ... You do not say it directly, but a 4x4 owner will be delighted to interpret it from the side that suits him ... Don't you think?

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by Christophe » 29/03/08, 15:56

Well yes but hey ... we can always divert an argument to his advantage ....

It does not prevent 4x4 = bigger shit than "classic" car at the individual level ...It's just that at the global level there is worse ...


But we can't please everyone ... The problem is that to say the sad (?) Truth and that by shooting everyone we risk finding ourselves ... alone ... : Cheesy:
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by Arthur_64 » 29/03/08, 16:12

Still, a Lada Niva, possibly pantonized, is no worse than an R25 V12!

It's all about use. Yes, SUVs used only in the city are heresy. But the HiLux of a farmer friend who is also a forest operator over 100Ha, it makes more sense than the same trips with the Massey-Ferguson!
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by Christophe » 29/03/08, 16:44

Obviously ... we are talking about urban SUV ... which are NOT urban vehicles because of their specifications ...

I think that easily 80% of SUV / 4x4 sold are currently urban ...
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by bamboo » 29/03/08, 19:24

Christophe wrote:It does not prevent 4x4 = bigger shit than "classic" car at the individual level ... [b] It is simply that at the global level there is worse.


Well we agree :D
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