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by bamboo » 28/03/08, 10:40

Cool Jessle! It's good that companies are doing it too!
In mine, everyone fucks ... : Cry:
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by bamboo » 28/03/08, 10:43

Remundo wrote:Because to turn off the day before, that is to put a bandage on a severed leg ... we have the impression of having acted well, but we have not ENOUGH acted ...


We at least agree that it's not enough! :D
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by Arthur_64 » 28/03/08, 13:02

Well, it's easier to fight against the guy in 4x4 than not to exceed 18 ° heating in winter.

After, you only have to pay those who do not play the game for:
- Financing the repair of their bullshit (ex .: Total)
- Reward those who play the game (bonuses well thought)

The good old principle of stick and carrot.

Afterwards, those who decide do not understand anything, and it is not the HULOT and others who will arrange this.

I am for a true government agency of the environment, with a consequent budget, a power of police, a function of council enlightened and subsidizing no less enlightened.

It's not tomorrow the day before we'll see that!
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by Christophe » 28/03/08, 13:05

Arthur_64 wrote:Well, it's easier to fight against the guy in 4x4 than not to exceed 18 ° heating in winter.


It's totally my thought that initiated this topic ...

citizen lambda wrote:Pollution? It's not me it's the others


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Arthur_64 wrote:I am for a true government agency of the environment, with a consequent budget, a power of police, a function of council enlightened and subsidizing no less enlightened.

It's not tomorrow the day before we'll see that!



Well, but what if we took care of it ourselves?

This is a very long-term project but look at the ciirad, the ciirem and other organisms (pseudo?) Green? ... they have obtained a significant power in 20 years (especially to tell bullshit ...) and this are individuals who are at the base of their creation ...

So do not you, you?


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by Arthur_64 » 28/03/08, 13:10

Fashion is up to civil society, which is logical in that the state is shocked.

I'm all the more so by saying things not too cons and saying the right way, there is a way to have some media impact, and at least a power of nuisance. It would remind me of my associative period :D

After all, we can do intelligent lobbying! And presto, let's roll up our sleeves!
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by Christophe » 28/03/08, 13:19

Arthur_64 wrote:Fashion is up to civil society, which is logical in that the state is shocked.


The state is a big donor of lessons from an unnamed hypocrite

Example: install solar panels it is profitable (it is so much that public institutions are ultra equipped : Mrgreen: ), look we help you (by raising prices and controlling the market's growth : Evil: ) with our grants (in fact your tax and that of your neighbor) but especially go work away from home because we subsidize your travel ...

I bet that the Ministry of the environment still has halogens galore and that PC turn 24 / 7 ... this is an example may be a little cliche but it is a clue of fucking mouth. .

After all, the more we consume the more it's good for the GDP ... and the GDP is sacred ... especially when we are in sustainable decline as currently : Evil:

And let's not forget that on every L of oil sold the state in touch 2 to 3 times more than the tankers who are yet pointed out in an overwhelming way not our incompetent and hypocritical leaders ...

One last thought for all our leaders:
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by Christophe » 28/03/08, 13:24

Sorry for this little annoyance but sometimes it takes ... : Oops:
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by bamboo » 28/03/08, 15:03

I agree with what you say ...
But you play the game of
LambdaBis wrote:"Why turn off my watch? It's negligible"
"Why heat at 18 ° c? I heat at 23 paske my neighbor heats at 24"
"Why walk 800m to get my bread when my neighbor has an oil-fired boiler?"
"Why sell my Cayenne when it only consumes 20l / 100 when I take my son to school, while the trucks from the transporter next door consume 40l.

In short, you give reason to many people who could, if they wanted to, save some power plants and a few barrels of oil ... You give them justifications to continue to turn a blind eye to their own behavior. : Cry:
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by Remundo » 28/03/08, 17:32

Christophe wrote:
Arthur_64 wrote:I am for a true government agency of the environment, with a consequent budget, a power of police, a function of council enlightened and subsidizing no less enlightened.

It's not tomorrow the day before we'll see that!



Well, but what if we took care of it ourselves?
So do not you, you? :?:


Christophe, you did not want to create at one time a foundation / association econology or something like that :?:

Is that what you're getting at? : Idea:
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by Christophe » 28/03/08, 18:15

indy49 wrote:In short, you give reason to many people who could, if they wanted to, save some power plants and a few barrels of oil ... You give them justifications to continue to turn a blind eye to their own behavior. : Cry:


Hu? I do not know who you are targeting but if it is me you mean that by accusing governments of doing nothing I legitimize the "menfoutism" of the people?

Remundo: yes, do not you?
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