The HVP-C: pure vegetable oil fuel and the law

crude vegetable oil, diester, bio-ethanol or other biofuels, or fuel of vegetable origin ...
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by petromax » 03/01/07, 14:09

Hello Radasse2000

I never said that doing bio fuel to run at 5,75% was a good idea!

We agree
For fallows, they can be useful for land renewal.

I think it would be much better to move towards cultural techniques like TCS or seedlings under cover (Biomax, etc ...)
In addition, you should know that in France, if you wanted to switch to 100% bio fuel, agricultural areas including fallow land would be just enough. But it would require to go for food elsewhere, or tighten your belt!

At the same speech, there will never be enough, so there is no need to do it. I consider that HVB can be a niche fuel for the agricultural sector, or even for road transport. Not so long ago 10 at 15% of farm production was intended for the feeding of draft animals (horses, oxen). Agriculture is not at the grassroots of the citizens, if the demand for non-food outlets grows, farmers will respond (we join your speech on EGR valves wasteful because buyers do not want to pay them)

For HVB dilution in engine oil, please inquire about FUCHS Plantomot 5W40 or PANOLIN Biomot 5W40. Learn also about the nanofiltration of engine oil (KLEENOIL for example).
While you are there, learn about the work of Elsbett, VWP, ...
To be as categorical as you are, it would be necessary to know a little more the subject seems to me it.
Your ignorance of the work done on the HVB Beyond Rhine is uplifting (even appalling).

I do not have a pb with that either, but when you roll to the HVB and you dilute your oil little by little, do you know for a moment what is your rate of dillution? Where are your lubricant qualities? NO! Whereas when you integrate a part voluntarily in the constitution of your oil, you do not have this problem.

Lost, we have to be wary of what we say about forums, the 2 oils mentioned are 100% synthetic, they are not made from vegetable oil. Inquire seriously, or refrain from answering (me that's what I'm trying to do).

I do not see what would be ridiculous to incorporate 5% of HVB in diesel by promoting a short circuit circuit.

Incorporate 5% of oil if it is to divide the drain intervals not 4 I'm not sure that the environment is found (especially when we see what is made of the most waste oil) cases ...)


Please provide a reliable source indicating that 4 should be divided by "intervals" emptying when using 5% HVB (It's all-out, engine oil analysis is supported)

It would be quite honest to me to say that reducing the combustion temperature by recycling exhaust gases, if it decreases Nox increases HC production and degrades the engine performance (light overconsumption).

The increase in HC is relatively negligible compared to the decrease in NOx. When the engine performance, you must know what you want to polish less or drive fast. Do not be fooled if no manufacturer, managed to do without EGR valve is that there is a reason!


You limit (once again) the limits of the possible to that of your knowledge.
PACCAR engines (mounted on PL DAF) meet Euro4 and Euro5 standards without EGR and FAP.

Not "touching my ball" in matters of depollution, you can certainly give me your opinion on the compatibility between HVB and post-treatment of Nox (Urea injection, AD-Blue), that interests me.
These devices are only equipped for the moment that the engines of trucks (bp setting T ° C, and engine load) but there are apparently also some problems with the FAP on VP.

The molecules created by combustion in HVB or GO are the same. the treatment is therefore identical. Only the processes of regeneration of Noxtrap are different because the HVB produce more and it is necessary to reign more often.


I'm talking about urea injection and you get your "science" out on the Nox Traps : roll: .


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by Woodcutter » 03/01/07, 21:35

Radasse2000 wrote:[...] But the energy required to extract fossil fuel is three times lower than that used to treat rapeseed [...]
Very amusing this assertion peremptory without any justification ...

Please refer to the engine engineer at Renault?
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by pluesy » 03/01/07, 22:21

I think it depends on the deposits ...

yen where we put the straw and where it comes out all by itself because under pressure and other where it is necessary to pump at greater or lesser depth ...
it must of course be transported to refinery refining and transport to the place of use I think the most greedy post energy in the oil chain is refining but enlightenment specialists will be welcome ...

in my opinion it can vary from simple to triple depending on the quality of the oil and the situation of the deposit and if it is not profitable enough we do not pump ...
for example if it takes 1 liter of oil to extract 0.5L of oil ca not worth it even if the deposit is important

in any case the faster this shit will be exhausted the better it will be (we will have to shoot those who find new deposits : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: )

an interesting link for a start of an answer http://www.linternaute.com/science/envi ... e/16.shtml
while waiting for the response of our engine specialist ...
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by Radasse2000 » 03/01/07, 23:18

You limit (once again) the limits of the possible to that of your knowledge.
PACCAR engines (mounted on PL DAF) meet Euro4 and Euro5 standards without EGR and FAP.

The system with injection AddBlue is the system that can win 4% conso using 5% additive?
Actually the balance is very interesting! Especially when urea is made from natural gas (renewable energy is well known!)

Lost, we have to be wary of what we say about forums, the 2 oils mentioned are 100% synthetic, they are not made from vegetable oil. Inquire seriously, or refrain from answering (me that's what I'm trying to do).


I did not say that the oils you quoted contained HVB! Stop to interpret anyhow. Not knowing all the compositions of all the oils of the market, I just specified that since an oil is developed with this or that component, we know its properties whereas when one is victim of the dilution, it is a parameter that we do not control absolutely!

You seem to be against the EGR valves, so what do you propose as a system to reduce the Nox ???
Also know that badgers that roll wildly oil (which generates more NOx you can not deny it) and that close the EGR valve do nothing in return to reduce this pollutant! Who pollutes then? If he installed all cons in part a system type AddBlue that you like so much in exchange I would have no problem with that?

Thank you for providing a reliable source indicating that it is necessary to divide by 4 the "intervals" of draining when using 5% of HBV (It is complete nonsense, engine oil analyzes in support)


Well, uh, I do not know I did like you I read it on the forum Oily! Death of laughter !!!
PS: When we speak French we say intervaux ... (even if it does not sound good)

Agriculture is not at the boot of citizens

No they are at the boot of the profitability of their exploitation! If a company pays them to offset their CO² emissions, they will!

So for Petrolmax it's done! Go to Dede!


it is a segment which broke following a wear mattage of the grooves after a use in overspeed 2800 rpm

Other than that it's reliable!

An aviation engine is cheap is well known! I will put one in my car!

As you say break a piston is not a serious breakdown

Laughing with laughter, you did not even understand that I was riding!

if you leave a candle tight for several years you risk tearing the nets

Do you know that there are products called "penetrating oil" for difficult cases? Request WD40 in a hardware store!

Initially with the photos of piston that I posted you would have to diagnose a motor which consumes a lot of oil, a broken segment and gorges mattées

You do not care about me I told you that your break was muted!

For me you only work on antipolution syteme

If you like to think it and be wrong, go!

On a diesel that has many miles and a little wear and tear the builders are pulling the breather into the intake which makes a jam in the intake manifold with the ERG exhaust valve

This architecture is still relevant (so you will fall asleep more intelligent!)

But explain me how we can degrade the combustion

When you have agglomeration between the droplet of water brought by your pantone and a droplet of GO, the product does not burn!

produce less smoked

How many times should I repeat it? !!! Polluting gases do not all have a label on their backs! They are not all identifiable with smoke!

consume month of diesel

The only principle that really works on the panton, the use of the vaporization of the water introduced into the engine to recover the pressure on the piston and therefore the energy!

this is true for an ideal use, but for normal use this practice makes engines that are aging very poorly
Personally I change the oil at 5000 km

With a modern engine, and the recommended oil, you can settle for a drain all 20 000. By the way when you change your oil all the 5000km what do you do with it? Do you pay to have it recycled?

it is not allowed to drive with injectors that spray poorly
anyway disassemble the injectors and pass on the pump is a trifle (when you're dealing with a well designed engine, the tunt when you have the washers and spacers is not long

On a well designed engine you plug your computer, you change your calibration and you will have nothing to disassemble!

In the land of the blind the one-eyed are king ..

Does that mean you're blind? I'm sorry for you, avoid taking plane trees when you drive then !!!

Good go you made me laugh enough like that!

What is good with you is that you do not walk, you run !!!

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by petromax » 03/01/07, 23:53

Radasse2000 wrote:
You limit (once again) the limits of the possible to that of your knowledge.
PACCAR engines (mounted on PL DAF) meet Euro4 and Euro5 standards without EGR and FAP.

The system with injection AddBlue is the system that can win 4% conso using 5% additive?
Actually the balance is very interesting! Especially when urea is made from natural gas (renewable energy is well known!)

Lost, we have to be wary of what we say about forums, the 2 oils mentioned are 100% synthetic, they are not made from vegetable oil. Inquire seriously, or refrain from answering (me that's what I'm trying to do).


I did not say that the oils you quoted contained HVB! Stop to interpret anyhow. Not knowing all the compositions of all the oils of the market, I just specified that since an oil is developed with this or that component, we know its properties whereas when one is victim of the dilution, it is a parameter that we do not control absolutely!

You seem to be against the EGR valves, so what do you propose as a system to reduce the Nox ???
Also know that badgers that roll wildly oil (which generates more NOx you can not deny it) and that close the EGR valve do nothing in return to reduce this pollutant! Who pollutes then? If he installed all cons in part a system type AddBlue that you like so much in exchange I would have no problem with that?

Thank you for providing a reliable source indicating that it is necessary to divide by 4 the "intervals" of draining when using 5% of HBV (It is complete nonsense, engine oil analyzes in support)


Well, uh, I do not know I did like you I read it on the forum Oily! Death of laughter !!!
PS: When we speak French we say intervaux ... (even if it does not sound good)

Agriculture is not at the boot of citizens

No they are at the boot of the profitability of their exploitation! If a company pays them to offset their CO² emissions, they will!

So for Petrolmax it's done!


During the 5 years, I rubbed horns of your species at Velizy and Guyancourt. You show a good open mind (no link, no research cited). For Euro5 all PL manufacturers will use the SCR (ADBlue) the last 2 who used the EGR spend the sponge, ditto marine engines and generators, for the dilution of HVB in oil motor, continues to search or rather begins. Continue to ridicule you so, I have lost enough time with you. And of course you did not learn anything interesting.
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by pluesy » 04/01/07, 00:10

radasse 2000 know that running keeps us fit and allows us to clarify ideas to counter faster individuals who tries to discredit on the evidence of experiences and truths lived if you have something to bring to the debate brings the and stop circling the pot otherwise go your way ... and let us wade into our bullshit ...
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by Other » 04/01/07, 01:09

Hello
After rereading me colder, I eleminated my post
who I think, becomes off topic and that it becomes unsightly for new ones who arrive on the forum it is my unionist temperament and probably my experience in detecting some (social elite) that make me react. I learned with age that living in a cottage at the edge of a lake with loggers is more enjoyable ...

So without comments to Radasse2000

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by Cuicui » 04/01/07, 12:00

Cuicui wrote:Hello, Radasse 2000
What do you think is better,
- produce CO2 of fossil origin that will accumulate in the atmosphere and increase the greenhouse effect
- to produce more CO2 from the combustion of rapeseed oil, CO2 which will be regularly recycled by the new rapeseed plantations, avoiding accumulation?

You do not answer ?
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by Targol » 04/01/07, 12:19

Cuicui wrote:
Cuicui wrote:Hello, Radasse 2000
What do you think is better,
- produce CO2 of fossil origin that will accumulate in the atmosphere and increase the greenhouse effect
- to produce more CO2 from the combustion of rapeseed oil, CO2 which will be regularly recycled by the new rapeseed plantations, avoiding accumulation?

You do not answer ?


Given the level of openness of the last pages of this topic, it may be better not.

We will end up believing ourselves in the abyss of Moria with all these trolls : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 04/01/07, 12:22

I have not followed all of this discussion so I will be brief ...

Radasse 2000 has indeed shown one thing (probably in spite of his will): collusions oil / engine ...
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We also "see" it here: https://www.econologie.com/hvp-pour-une- ... -3302.html
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