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by antoinet111 » 01/01/07, 16:54

Here is in response to your insult of "neuneus", I send it back to you of a "cretin".

pffffff. all that is really blah, no, no consistency, sterile, like all the talk since you know how to post on the forum.

that said, you remain a very entertaining "jerk". it reminds me that out of ~ 2000 people (I believe) registered on econology that it takes all the same in the best of forums.
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by Other » 01/01/07, 18:04

Hello
So the ca is exceptional! So if I understand correctly, if it does not smoke, it does not polue? Well, that's great! I'm going to redo the engine MAP with a maximum of excess air and maximum combustion temperatures as we will earn a lot in conso!
I am really happy!


My interest is not walking with oil, it's just a curiosity
and it's relatively simple for me to start diesel and walk 100% oil, my interest is to improve the panton,
I am not as noble as you in front of the pollution, I am a big consumer, what I try to do is to roll 1400 km with a tank of 80 liters on an old Mercedes ..
Other news that will defriser you it is not with an excesses of air on a diesel that the consumption decreases in any case not with a panton, I restrict almost of 50% the admission with a venturi and it is there that the consumption decreases that penalizes me for the top speed which was at 180 kmh which falls at 165 kmh
but a drive has 120 kmh with a panton and without panton there is a differrence.
In the case of rinsed engines, there have always been some and there will always be some. The main cause is the misuse and a lack of maintenance (cold acceleration, poor quality fuel, missed oil change intervals and a low quality oil).


It has been known for a long time that cold starts on any engine dilute the oil in the cylinders and the engines have to be warmed up.
Running on HV oil is the main problem, if the injectors do not spray well this drop oil will lodge in the segments and when the temperature goes up it becomes gum like the old engines that walked to the Castor oil,
now if the injectors are not in good condition (higher pressure and good temperature of the oil) this oil that makes a cold on the cylinders.
The problem is identical with gasiol if the injectors do not spray well, except that it is less evil for the dilution the gasoil evaporates when the oil of the housing becomes hot and leaves by the breather this is valid for the one who uses its engine on a good journey (mounts the oil at its temperature)
it's a similar but more elaborate answer than I would have expected from a guy who annihilates engines!

Doing 500 hours on a bench is far from real life
it is far from the one who takes his vehicle to go shopping 5 km or go take the children to school, many start a -20 ect .. just a small occasional trip 250km continuously, it's not the same thing on these engines as 500 hours on a bench at maximum torque regime ..


For the photo I sent you click on it and enlarged
I can tell you that it is an engine running at steady speed it was approximately 550 hours of operation when this problem happened, it was always warmed up at least 10 to 15 minutes after the season before being asked a its maximum power and it is lubricated with what is best in oils .. the temperature of the oil never exceeds 110c and I hold it most often enters the 90c
That's 3 time that this problem happens to me. I have a good idea, but I am looking for confirmation from an expert ..
Yet it is a well-known disease on the engines that small mechanics detect at first glance.
It's not what happened that interests me, but why it happened and in what condition of operation of the engine it causes that!
I'm waiting for your answers!
Do not talk about Panton in your environment, you'll find yourself on the (Black list) it's more serious than want to bring the union into your shop.

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by Radasse2000 » 01/01/07, 22:33

pffffff. all that is really blah, no, no consistency, sterile, like all the talk since you know how to post on the forum.

I explain to you why to use oil in your car is not necessarily beneficial for the environment and you consider it without consistency ??? I love your argument extremely well and supported!
Go a little quote that is going to delight you:
"I also want to be green, I also want to hold the truth because when you are convinced to be right you no longer need to break your heart to think it over!"
Another beautiful "green" pure strain without any notion of science! With people like that the planet will go far ...

But good when I see an answer like this one, I really wonder about the good time of the speakers:
As for the anti-pollution control that you invite us to do, I did it on a XUD9 engine (PSA) after 70.000Km at the HVB, 120000 in total. She was passing, while others, yet Euro 4 standard -common rail etc remain in touch

(The first Euro 4 engines came out less than two years ago and have not been sold yet! Euro 4 has only been in force for a short time!)

that said, you remain a very entertaining "jerk".

You too are very entertaining, I love the simple of mind ... As such I would be very happy to invite you to a dinner with friends ...

Other news that will defriser you it is not with an excesses of air on a diesel that the consumption decreases in any case not with a panton, I restrict almost of 50% the admission with a venturi


1 - it's not because you restrict the admission section of 50% that you multiply the richness by 2! Fortunately, moreover!

2- If despite everything you run your engine with a richness> 1 stop right away! Because for once, it is clear that you will not create Nox, but CO (deadly gas) and HC (another big pollutant). Already an engine with Pantone generates a lot of HC, if in addition on a diesel you run it has a richness greater than 1, it is the ponpon! But hey, if it doesn't smoke, it doesn't smoke if I understood correctly.


In fact, can one of you explain why a pantone can consume less? I am curious to read your explanations (scientist I hope, go with a little thermodynamics, you will understand maybe ...).

FYI, where I work, the panton is not taboo, it's just a good joke question depollution!

You can ride with oil as much as you want, but please do not try to be a model citizen for the environment!
Stop fanstamer on the hypothetical conspiracies of the industrialists (the only real plot, it is the CIA and the extra terrestrial is well known cf the quasi documentary series Xfiles!), That exists only in your head! If we invest millions and spend thousands of hours developing less polluting engines, it is not just to do a job!
If we do not devellope panton serial is because this system does not meet the standards antipollutions.

But hey if it makes you happy, I authorize you to find me "nasty not handsome naughty" because I do not support you 100% like a blessing!
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by Radasse2000 » 01/01/07, 22:49

Oil is taboo, we will all come to the end!
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by Other » 02/01/07, 06:48

Hello,
You still have no answer to my piston, either you do not know, or your analysis ability is restricted
1 - it's not because you restrict the admission section of 50% that you multiply the richness by 2! Fortunately, moreover!

2- If despite everything you run your engine with a richness> 1 stop right away! Because for once, it is clear that you will not create Nox, but CO (deadly gas) and HC (another big pollutant). Already an engine with Pantone generates a lot of HC, if in addition on a diesel you run it has a richness greater than 1, it is the ponpon! But hey, if it doesn't smoke, it doesn't smoke if I understood correctly.


I told you on which auto the panton was installed a Mercedes 300 D turbo may be too old for you 5 cylinders 3 liters
you should know that there is a regulator that takes into account the pressure of the collector and that controls the injection pump, in addition to a west gate like all turbo, that wealth is
> 1 for me it means nothing. In North America we do not have the same way of expressing the ratio for an old diesel, we speak of 1/18 to 1/20 but it exceeds my means to measure these ratios, I am content to measure the km traveled and the full clear cap and exhaust temperature after having passed over the reactor, in reality the heat pumped on the exhaust
You too are very entertaining, I love the simple of mind ... As such I would be very happy to invite you to a dinner with friends ...

We thank you for the invitation, but I prefer to dine with my farmer friends I learn something with them ..

In fact, can one of you explain why a pantone can consume less? I am curious to read your explanations (scientist I hope, go with a little thermodynamics, you will understand maybe ...).


We know that consumption drops with a panton, you do not have to try it .. scientific explanations are out of reach of my knowledge and probably your knowledge ..
(scientist I hope, go with a little thermodynamics, you may understand ...).

Just this little sentence says long about your contempt of the classes of society and your environment, I recognize the young French bourgeois who thinks to be part of the elite and that the little woodcutters like me, who do not know how to write are part of the lower class. because they run engines with panton or with oil, that it is by economy, the nonconforming ones who do not roll with new cars of the year.

By dodging the question about the piston, no precision on the problem side had to the use of the oil in an engine, nor why a bosch pump resists better than a Lucas pump 100% oil ...
Now I know where your knowledge is (the farmer who is used to dismounting his Rotax 914 on his plane Nordic immediately understood by looking at the piston) but you just answered me with answers from politicians .. If you do not know , do you inform your colleagues?
I see that your domain is polution, not the engines in itself.
Tell yourself that if the builders are forced to the wall to make engines less polulating it is not at their full speed, it is because there is a pressure of the population on the governments. they will pass the bill to the consumer.
The name of the car companies that does not mean anything, it's over the big no like GM or toyota, or Ford, their real name is Shell ESSO, Total, Texaco, Fina and still I think it There is only one company, (without name) but all the benefits go there. As all the assurrances there is only one Loys, like the Steelworks there is practically only one Mittal ..


I put your first post on the forum oily,
the answer: Yeah, well, leave it where it is.

I understand them! What about non-technical discussions I ask myself about the role of your interventions What does this teach us, brings us?

Andre
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by toto65 » 02/01/07, 12:47

I admire your patience, André.
In Bucheron's signature there is: "are you a troll?"
The intervention of Ramasse2000 is a good example of a troll.
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by pluesy » 02/01/07, 14:16

I think that an ecological society will be a company that will not need the industrialists to live and that would produce without their fuel fuel the nouriture the clothing ect ... mourningly reflecting the impact that each gesture can have on our future survival
as did the Papuans, the Indians of America, the inouites ect ... before the arrival of the white man and his "industrial" civilization

Obviously a company that would live in complete autarky will not need the help (rmi, unemployment, education, secu, famillialle alloc ect ...) nor taxes that the state distributes or takes to whom it seems to him (I wonder how the state will survive if everybody lived in autarky ... : Mrgreen: )
it will seek to use as little energy as possible and to build sustainable repairable and recyclable easily

if we trust the industrialists for our survival, they will build us ever more beautiful, even more efficient, less expensive and more economically unrepairable, even more disposable and only recyclable by their care ... (it assures their survival : Cheesy: )

in a sense it makes our life easier since they take care of everything and take into account any of our future desires to always offer us better and convince us to consume more but another dimension
it makes us completely dependent on them and silly by force to reflect on our behalf

a bit like "the cat has its meme" that we cram with food and which no longer has the desire or the intelligence to catch mice
the day his mate dies he may well spend there too, since he is completely dependent on her for her logi and her food ...

I think that whoever rolls oil or seeks to make their own fuels is looking for independence to be independent
and it is obvious that in seeking to escape from the system that the state and the petroliers have concocted to him (for his good !!! for their goods ??? or for the good of the planette ...) the oily big risk
but it is often said that freedom is priceless and that we are never better served than by ourselves ...
in general I think that makes it smarter than stupidly adopting the "very intelligent" solutions that are offered to us for our good ...

Globalization means that places of production and consumption are becoming more remote and few people know the peasant who makes their own food or the cotton that clothes them ...
I think that the one who goes to collect his oil from the local peasant or who takes several days to decant and filter used oil becomes more aware of his impact on the environment and the value of energy than the one who goes look for GO anonymously at the pump using his bank card with a state-of-the-art car at 20 euros "eco-label" concocted by his favorite manufacturer ...

but hey this is only my opinion "everyone does what he pleases" we are in the republic no ... : Cheesy:
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by Radasse2000 » 02/01/07, 18:19

Well, it's time for spanking!

1 For andré's piston, I must admit (it will probably make you happy) I have never seen this kind of break before. Maybe because I only work on modern and reliable engines! As such I'm kidding when on one side you told me that modern engines are not reliable and that on the other, you do not stop breaking pistons on your antiques! But hey it's probably that as everyone knows, breaking a piston is not a serious breakdown!
It's a bit like the blow of screwing in tight candles! There is a tool called a torque wrench that is very useful for remedying these problems. The other is the reflection that leads to the conclusion that it is useless to tighten 50N.m a candle!

2 For oily (your reference apparently in terms of mechanics), it's a crisis of laughter!
I read "the EGR valve is used to lower the combustion temperature, but for HVB, we need to increase it, the solution is to plug it". This is "world champion", guys do not even ask the question of why we are trying to lower the temperature of the combustion! Answer, Nox production increases exponentially with increasing temperature in the chamber. Basically with HVB and this type of assembly, you will create a lot more Nox. Nox is a pretty funny gas because it is carcinogenic. But hey, according to you, it's not a pollutant ...

3 Regarding the use of HVB in a modern engine, even they recommend not to exceed 5%! In this case, just do not put anything! Especially in parallel, a drain all 5000km is recommended (normally 20000) after which recylces the oil? Who pollutes?
When those who switch to 30% and breaks their engine under warranty, they take good care not to say it so they do not have to pay the price. Nice example of responsibility! I really appreciated the testimony of the guy who breaks his turbo then his engine with 30% of HVB and who believes that it is not because of the fuel.
While the phenomenon is clear:
HVB> degradation of the segmentation> oil consumption + dilution of HVB in the oil> degradation of the mechanical properties of the oil> Breakage of the turbo (a turbo turns on hydraulic bearing at more than 200000rpm and reaches T ° above 800 ° C which makes it an extremely sensitive organ!)> Shortly after excessive oil consumption (there the segments have indeed given up the ghost)> engine change at Renault's expense!
Congratulations HVB and congratulations the good faith of the owner! Fortunately for him the incidentology did not require an analysis of oil and fuel!



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We know that consumption drops with a panton, you do not have to try it .. scientific explanations are out of reach of my knowledge and probably your knowledge ..

Reassure you it does not exceed my skills! In your opinion why on a panton, the TAVT (temperature before turbine) is lower? Is it due to a phenomenon of evaporation of water? And would this evaportaion be possible that it generates gases? And these gases would it be possible that they generate a pressure on the piston?
So yes the panton system helps to recover energy and reduce consumption! But no, it is not less pungent! The water vapor in the cylinder degrades the combustion and generates particles, CO (deadly gas) and an extremely high rate of HC (unburned)! In addition it prevents the operation of the catalyst and the particle filter! If this system has never been put into production it is more pollutant!

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By dodging the question about the piston, no precision on the problem side had to the use of the oil in an engine, nor why a bosch pump resists better than a Lucas pump 100% oil ...

If we talk about recent pumps, the answer is simple: Bosch technology requires less internal friction than the Lucas (and the Delphi at the same time). The quality of the lubricant is therefore less important. But beware, the new Bosch pumps that are starting to come out will also be very dependent on the qualities of the fuel (change of technology).

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I understand them! What about non-technical discussions I ask myself about the role of your interventions What does this teach us, brings us?


My interventions teach you what you do not want to know is to say that you pollute more in oil operation than GO because if the CO² balance can be slightly in favor of oil, the production of other pollutants significantly more dangerous increases.

I also taught you that a test does not reveal in any way the real pollution of a running engine (especially in the case of a diesel!)

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Tell yourself that if the builders are forced to the wall to make engines less polulating it is not at their full speed, it is because there is a pressure of the population on the governments.

False, builders take the front, example: Particle filters on PSA vehicles even before it is mandatory to meet standards. Nox Trap at Mercedes and soon at Renault!

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The name of the car companies that does not mean anything, it's over the big no like GM or toyota, or Ford, their real name is Shell ESSO, Total, Texaco, Fina and still I think it There is only one company, (without name) but all the benefits go there. As all the assurrances there is only one Loys, like the Steelworks there is practically only one Mittal ..


Another nice idea! The competition between the groups is implacable! As for the connivance with the tankers, it is still a beautiful lubbie. Some manufacturers have even put pressure on oil companies because the poor quality of their additives degraded engines!


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if not, trust the industrialists for our survival, they will build us even better, even more efficient, less expensive and more economically unrepairable, more disposable and only recyclable by their care ...


The industrialists are not the culprits in history, they only meet a need! It's human nature to always look better and cheaper to shoot in the foot! (cf delocalisation of factories, manufacturers do not do this for pleasure, and I know something!)

Pluesy, I appreciate your utopian vision, I would have loved such a world, but it is unfortunately impossible for a large-scale society.
When the oily in this ecological society, my goal is to show them that the solution they adopted has a significant environmental impact nuisance. After, free to them to continue, but it is necessary that they have in mind that to want to generate less CO² they will generate much more dangerous poluants. Without counting on the impact of massive agricultural crops at the level of ecosystems ...


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The intervention of Ramasse2000 is a good example of a troll.


I may be a troll but in terms of cleanup I touch my ball unlike many people on this forum apparently!

you should know that there is a regulator that takes into account the manifold pressure and that controls the injection pump, in addition to a west gate like all turbo

You just contradicted yourself, you said you were not in excess of air, but with your regulator, you will always work in excess air (that's how a diesel engine is supposed to work! )

that wealth is
> 1 for me that doesn't mean anything

I'll teach you another trick: the richness ratio is calculated in relation to the stoichiometric quantities of the components of the combustion. > 1 you have too much fuel compared to the volume of oxygen (part of the fuel will not be burned) <1 you have less fuel compared to the volume of oxygen, so if you spray the GO well, no 'unburned.

Just this little sentence says long about your contempt of the classes of society and your environment, I recognize the young French bourgeois who thinks to be part of the elite and that the little woodcutters like me, who do not know how to write are part of the lower class.

My remark did not concern a part of society in particular you have tried too much to interpret! And at the limit it was not addressed to you but rather antoinette. For me there are idiots everywhere, and there is no more among farmers!
When to conclusions about my cultural origin, they belong only to you and are far from the truth. And even if they were accurate, they would not undermine the veracity of my words!
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by abyssin3 » 02/01/07, 19:38

Ramasse2000 wrote:
The intervention of Ramasse2000 is a good example of a troll.

I may be a troll but with respect to the depollution I touch my ball unlike many people on this forum apparently!

No, not "maybe", that's for sure: http://www.lettres.net/troll.htm

"I touch my ball": you rather have a disproportionate ego, that's for sure. In general, you are happy to answer questions aside to justify your Great skills. A Trollian Behavior What ...

As for the HBV, you still haven't understood anything. If you "hit your ball" in terms of pollution control, this is frankly not the case in terms of ecology. By ecology I mean science, not the pastime of 2-3 lost politicians.
Your approach to the CO2 problem is typical of someone who does not understand anything, but NOTHING from beginning to end. A bit like the industrialists.
And I do not want to spend my life explaining BA-BA ecological cycles.
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by abyssin3 » 02/01/07, 19:45

Radasse2000 wrote:you pollute more in operation with the oil than with GO because if the CO² balance can be slightly in favor of the oil

No Radasse, it is not may be slightly, he is Surprisingly sure and incomparable fossil fuels.
This is the law of the carbon cycle.
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