Vegetable oils animal fats: energy recycling

crude vegetable oil, diester, bio-ethanol or other biofuels, or fuel of vegetable origin ...
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by the middle » 10/08/08, 12:38

carburologue wrote:I suggest that a modo clean up the subject which was interesting at the start.
The mp to settle accounts, it exists. :!:

Thank you carbu;
To come back to the fundamental context of all this; : Cheesy:
I have come to the following conclusion:
Breast if you have clean oil even filtered at 5 or 1 micron (for free), your engine is dead after two or three years of use, at the rate of two hours of operation per day.
But the question is, which part of the engine is dead?
It would require a motor that is easy to repair (piston rings, liners, etc ...)
If there was such an easy engine to repair, as with boilers, then, I would say yes, the project is viable.
It's a personal opinion, not a truth :D
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by minguinhirigue » 10/08/08, 12:49

Lol ...

Just a question, you seem to say that the oil is not at all suitable for non-compression burners? Or is it the annex system of oil stoves that did not like your treatment ... Because better combustion of the product, with heat recovery on a small stirling (unfortunately very expensive for the moment, not less than 10000 XNUMX € due to low productions ...), me it tries to assemble well !? But considering the price, if you tell me more that it works badly ...: [

Otherwise for the idea of ​​resuming the car engine, you go on the idea of ​​heating hot water and electricity with accumulation for the day, right?

On the one hand, the insulation of the balloon makes accumulation, on the other it is the batteries.

If the hot water is no longer sufficient, the engine is restarted and the batteries are recharged incidentally.

If the batteries are no longer sufficient, we also relaunch and incidentally recharge the accumulation tank.

The problem is that when the batteries are fully charged, if there is still need of water, it is necessary to dissipate the additional electric energy ... The opposite problem does not arise because we can allow ourselves to exceed a temperature set point of 65 ° C to reach up to 90 ° safely in many balloons ...

To use the additional electrical energy, there are some devices at home which can do it without flinching and with a more or less good interest:
- the fridge and freezer, which can drop slightly below their low set temperature, and thus allow the electricity used to be "stored" in the form of frigories. : Idea:
- the water levers sometimes installed, for a well (in isolated site I hear), or for rainwater. :D
- swimming pool pumps. :?
- an additional resistance hot water tank !? : Shock:

Otherwise, to avoid the batteries, there are flywheels, but I still don't know what the real purchase price is, and how much autonomy it really has: https://www.econologie.com/forums/futur-du-s ... t5838.html
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by minguinhirigue » 10/08/08, 12:54

I know a handyman who filters at 5 microns, he has put everything in a Citroen quadricylinder for three years. He regularly has problems with his diesel filter, but never with the rest of the engine, on which he has good on a pantone ...
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by Other » 10/08/08, 17:17

Hello

We are two to run in filtered oil at 5 microns, a Jetta VW and a 300 D
the oil is decanted, pumped into an engine oil filter in series with a 5 micron hydraulic filter then decanted for 15 to 30 days as needed. Do not begin to filter finer than the original engine diesel filter?
anyway all my fuel, whether diesel or oil, passes through the original filter of the manufacturer, if badly filtered you know it quickly enough replacing the gasiol filter sometimes at the side of the road.

Doubtful oil which contains vinegar starches or oven cleaning product is clarified by long decantation
If we pass these oils in the engine it is not so much at the piston level that this causes a problem, but the injection pump circuit and most often one in the injectors, traces of rust in the springs and spacers of the rubber on board the needle that makes them lazy.
Replace the nozzles and reset them and this is in order


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by Woodcutter » 10/08/08, 22:08

Hey about injector, has anyone read this week's AutoPlus little article on reclaimed oil?
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by jonule » 11/08/08, 11:03

injectors like the injection pump, if you fear for the system you must rinse them with petroleum when you want to stop the engine.
I make automatic systems, easy to do with little electronics ...
when you restart no osucis.

I do not bother on my TD : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy: I ride 100% for 6 years and no worries.

and besides ... what does 5 microns mean? this is for the filters of the "essnece stations"? that does not prevent to collect a whole pile of dirt ...
in fact the finesse does not matter, you must above all respect the T ° C!

ideally, the oil should be filtered at 5 µm ... but the oil, the oil filter is at 10 µm! but still of petroleum origin ...
for vegetable oil, an engineering study (sorry for them) had concluded at 27µm "ideally".

which will not prevent "the school of 5 micron" from unleashing passions and fights against "the school of 10 mixcron"!
as long as it lasts! : Cheesy:
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by Christine » 11/08/08, 11:17

jonule wrote:as long as it lasts!

Please do not add fuel to the fire because this time I will do outright censorship - without filters and in bulk.
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by jonule » 11/08/08, 11:36

no but you should know christine that this debate has been going on for 5 years and that it is far from over in the oily community. there are standards for different machines and for a common oil, hence the problem.
so it's constructive! the debate has to go on, even if it's slow, as an experimenter and user, I try to convince people that it doesn't matter what some people want to give it :D

filtration is important in everything that attracts used oil, whether of vegetable or mineral origin. I recognize that Bucheron raises a very old hare : Lol:
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by Other » 11/08/08, 16:15

Hello

injectors like the injection pump, if you fear for the system you must rinse them with petroleum when you want to stop the engine.


You have to stop torturing yourself with the injectors, it takes 4 hours to dismantle them, clean them, check them, tare them
if you put new nozzles it goes even faster.
I consider it normal for an oily person to make this verification occasionally. (we change the spark plugs on petrol engines)

I don't endure a diesel engine slamming. if it slams at the acceleration the injectors to be checked.


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by Woodcutter » 20/08/08, 23:48

jonule wrote:[...] filtration is important in everything that attracts used oil, whether of vegetable or mineral origin. I recognize that Bucheron raises a very old hare : Lol:
Gné? : Shock: :?: pôcompri ... :|
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