Mets oil!

crude vegetable oil, diester, bio-ethanol or other biofuels, or fuel of vegetable origin ...
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by Cuicui » 19/05/08, 12:06

We obviously can not count on the government to help us clean up the planet by manufacturing our fuel ... All the more reason to gather the information to put the process within the reach of all individuals.
http://www.lagrandeepoque.com/LGE/content/view/879

Another link concerning the transformation of waste into hydrocarbons:
http://www.transfert.net/a8705
Unfortunately, the process is kept secret ...
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by Remundo » 19/05/08, 14:36

Thank you Cuicui for the links,

Regarding the USA and its revolutionary process, this risks being as disappointing as the communication is pompous.

This is biomass thermolysis, I would like to believe that it is a little optimized, but it's not new ...

And so you have to burn part of the biomass to thermolyze the part recycled into gasoline, or Diesel, via Fischer Tropsch reactions ...

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by jonule » 19/05/08, 15:11

yes it exists since 1920 but it is very promising!

the production of biogas can be generated from waste, innumerable to date given the industrial society which does not use it enough. (waste from grains of corn, milk, sewage sludge, forest wood, pig manure, cows, etc.)

well, this gas can be used locally already, in heating networks.

in France, 4 biogas production facilities, in Germany 3500, in Sweden a train runs on biogas ...

then the fischer-tropps process works very well and arrives at a fuel, sunfuel or sundiesel, of 0.6 € per liter.

http://wiki.oleocene.org/index.php/Biomass_to_Liquid_ou_BtL

it is to be thought that the makhonine pork used during the war, or gasifier, is a system for transforming wood gas or coal into fuel!

this process was done from wood using a simple oven!
makhonine died in france in 1973, at the time of the 1st oil shock ...
https://www.econologie.com/makhonine-carburant-par-liquefaction-du-charbon-articles-66.html
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by martien007 » 19/05/08, 16:25

thank you here for these links.

What has become of Doctor Laigret?
We will not discuss the reasons that made his major and historic discovery fall into an incredible oblivion. But it is clear that it could hardly, in 1950, serve political and financial interests ... What about our very problematic time? Man of talent and truth, little concerned with his personal career, he was nonetheless "already known for his work on tropical diseases when he undertook to study methane fermentation. He had directed important works and he was correspondent of the Institute at the time of his death in 1966, 40 years ago now ».


..one scientist thrown in the trash who did not want a career. Today these people are even more despised than in 1950 ..

thank you jonule for the links:

The sundiesel, only advantages:

Biotrol / SunFuel / SunDiesel
The name Sunfuel was imagined by Volkswagen. Mercedes-Benz uses the name Biotrol. In the meantime the two companies seem to have agreed on the name of SunDiesel. Its producer is the German company Choren Industries.

SunDiesel® is a transparent and oily liquid, containing neither sulfur nor aromatic compound. It contains significantly less harmful substances than a fossil fuel (35 to 55% less) and its combustion itself produces less. BtL differs mainly from diesel by its purity. Diesel contains around 400 substances. The Sundiesel only contains ten.

A more precise specification - either of the engine, or of biofuel - allows cleaner combustion. An additional advantage is the high number of cetane, greater than 70 (the minimum level for the EU is 49)


We talk about it here :

http://www.boursier.com/vals/FR/volkswa ... 254990.htm

Talk to angry fishermen about it :D

Does it work with freshly cut grass? : I put a part of it in my compost silots and the rest in a pile next to it because I have a significant surface + that of my stepfather ..... and it grows when it rains like lately.
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by Cuicui » 19/05/08, 17:23

Remundo wrote:it is necessary to burn part of the biomass to thermolyze the part recycled into petrol, or Diesel, via Fischer Tropsch reactions ...

If I understood correctly, Jean Laigret used the action of bacteria to transform waste into liquid fuel. So no need for high temperatures. If this is confirmed, we could imagine small inexpensive installations to transform the contents of our trash cans into diesel ...
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by Cuicui » 19/05/08, 21:46

Remundo wrote:This is biomass thermolysis, I would like to believe that it is a little optimized, but it's not new ... And so we have to burn part of the biomass to thermolyze the part recycled into petrol, or Diesel, via reactions by Fischer Tropsch ...

uh, Remundo, did you read the article correctly? : Shock: http://www.lagrandeepoque.com/LGE/content/view/879
"Doctor Laigret then decided to continue his research starting with solid bodies and first of all with a fatty acid: oleic acid. The product used was ordinary commercial soap, made with olive oil. His work was carried out under the same conditions as before and with the same bacillus.He found that fermentation did not produce methane but carbon dioxide and that a black liquid was deposited on the surface of the fermented medium, the analysis of which showed that it was petroleum. More precisely, one hundred grams of soap gave 75 cm3 of petroleum. The experiment was repeated several times with the same result.
Thus was confirmed the fact that had hitherto been simply assumed: the oil deposits come, almost certainly, from the anaerobic fermentation of organic matter and the process that allowed it could be reproduced in the laboratory. This did not mean, of course, that other types of fermentation or bacilli did not lead to the result, but it was now certain that bacillus perfringens caused the synthesis of petroleum.
The “oil” yields were remarkably high from the start: one hundred grams of oleic soap giving ¾ of their mass in oil!
“These are the vegetable oils that have the best oil yield during their fermentation. On average, one ton of fermented oil produces 800 liters of crude oil and 200 m3 of combustible gas. But oils are relatively expensive products and the collection of plants that contain them is an artisanal operation, therefore expensive. Hence the idea that Doctor Laigret had of studying the fermentation of cheap organic products.
Thus he found that kitchen meat waste could provide 450 liters of oil and 140 m3 of combustible gas per tonne. Fish waste supplied about 70% of their weight of carbides. Orange and lemon peel 37% and dead leaves 25% of their weight… ”
A plethora of sources of very bulky organic matter and whose recovery is infinitely desirable is obviously constituted by sewage sludge, especially those corresponding to large urban concentrations.
We know that today part, brought to a dry matter content of about 50% is burned, while the rest is converted into an unattractive agricultural fertilizer, sold at low prices and whose use does not is not without drawbacks…
Could be added to sewage sludge and directed together to suitable fermentation tanks various organic waste, household waste, "pile bottom" of oil mills, slaughterhouse waste - including blood which we really do not know what to do, even, these days, that "meat meal", modern calamity ... but also the carcasses of "crazy" cows or foot-and-mouth sheep ... or the corpses of "avian" chickens, as well as seaweed interesting as a material organic fermentable, and also containing traces of iodine whose presence promotes the fermentation process.
It is likely that the cost price of finished products comparable to current petroleum products would not be of a very different order from that which was used ... at times of relative serenity ... that is to say before 1973, and even before August 1990. on the other hand, it is necessary to consider the immense economic advantage that would constitute the containment of the foreign currency outflows following the purchases of crude oil.
The process studied by Doctor Laigret is intended to replace the fuels used by our engines in the more or less long term. However, the amount of oil needed can be estimated at around 30 million tonnes. Note that this is the only 'on-board' energy, that is to say that which we use annually for the propulsion of vehicles ”.
These are data from the IFP and corresponding to the average annual French consumption of the 1990s, which represents some 60 to 100 million tonnes of organic matter waste.
The volume in France of sewage sludge, which, even in the unsorted state, in the presence of all impurities not capable of fermenting (sands, glasses, metals, etc.) can provide 106 liters of crude oil and 124 m3 of gas per tonne (Jean Lagarde, Science & Vie, July 1949).
We can easily see it, sewage sludge, household waste, agricultural and agrifood waste would cover more than 10 times our oil needs allocated to the traffic and transport sector…
But still other sources of organic matter are available to us. We think of algae which, as already said, have the merit "of providing the iodine essential for the biological synthesis of petroleum." However, algae are very prolific plants. It is in trillions of tonnes that we assess the annual production of algae: for microscopic algae alone, we assess this production at 200 billion tonnes ”.
“Unlike mineral oil, the sources of fermentation oil are inexhaustible. "


Conclusion: neither thermolysis nor Fischer-Tropsch reactions. All the work is done by bacteria "bacillus perfringens" (one of the 4 species of bacteria responsible for gas gangrene).
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by jonule » 20/05/08, 09:19

exact, just fermentation in a confined environment = without air (anaerobic).

"On average, a ton of fermented oil gives 800 liters of crude oil and 200 m3 of fuel gas."
MMmmhh ..... enough to leave you dreaming!

We can use a digester of this type:
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or a simple barrel and an inner tube, as for alcoholic fermentation:
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by Remundo » 20/05/08, 10:19

Well if it's fermentation, it's even less revolutionary ... a bacterium or another ...

And then we will see them at the turn these American entrepreneurs who always understood everything better than the others with pompous publicity ... taking over the existing ...

That’s what it is for the most energy-consuming nation in the world ... and all drives in Pick up or 4X4 V8 petrol of 300 Ch :?
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by tigrou_838 » 20/05/08, 10:50

hello to all.

ok for 200m3 of combustible gas, we can use it quite easily,

but what to do with the 800litres of crude oil, would you have a refinement to make fuel easily usable ????? without consuming more energy than necessary.

thank you jonule for your great site.

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