Diesel incompatible with oil?

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by Woodcutter » 30/06/06, 14:01

Exceed wrote:Hello,
Well, say so, you really have time to lose!
It looks like a doubles match !!!
I went to get some diesel at inter and I made several mix to see: GO / recycled sunflower oil and GO / canola oil bottled. For now, the mixtures are homogeneous.
I would do it as soon as I had oil again (agricultural supply shortage for now ...) with the pumps where I usually go: Leclerc, Elf and Champion. I already have the bottles, I only need the oil ...

For the double, isn't Wimbledon right now? : Mrgreen:

Exceed wrote:If not for the incompatibility of the oil in recent engines, Professor xNUMX, what would it be? Apart from the viscosity that can be corrected to make it close to that of diesel.
I do not understand why. [...]
In fact, if you follow the links I gave above, you will see that we cannot quite arrive, with pure oil or in a high percentage mixture, at viscosities equivalent to that of diesel. pure at room temperature (approx. 3 cP at 20 ° C).
On one of the curves, we see that the HVB at 85 ° C shows a viscosity of 10 cP.
Apparently, this difference is enough to create problems in high pressure injections, so imagine if there is no preheating.
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by Woodcutter » 30/06/06, 14:35

jonule wrote:> lumberjack: I don't care if I don't seem credible to you, I assure you that is not the purpose of this site;
I think these are not which "my eyes" who perceive that.
On the other hand, I think you come to a site to exchange information with others, right?
And if you go for a joke, what does it bring you?
The "purpose of this site"as you say, it is also to find interesting information. If everyone comes and tells big nonsense, what becomes of the interest of the site? It falls to nil ... : roll:

jonule wrote:with the on-board computer / calculator there is way to establish good instructions of T ° C fuel, it can probably happen otherwise without just deceiving the T ° C fuel sensor ... in short, the oil Well viscous hot fluid is good for an engine!
: shock: How do you heat your oil? Read what I marked above and see the viscosity curves ...

jonule wrote:So yes there are many adaptations to be made, but it is the same principle, we just work with a fuel whose viscosity must be controlled.
Here.... : Lol:
The speech changes a little bit ...
We went from: "a dCi can run 100% in oil without doing anything ..." to that...

jonule wrote:what renault does not manufacture anymore D, TD?
Because they consume too much and do not pass the standards ... : roll:


jonule wrote:anyway on these engines there is always a little fouling, except that it is not oil so it's good. here is the reasoning what else to say?
What else to say? That it is a simplistic reasoning ... : roll:
If the fouling prevents an engine from working properly, what can it do that this fouling is due to vegetable oil or petroleum, the result will be the same: poor performance, excess consumption, production of pollutants ...

jonule wrote:I have not heard so far / seen major problem due to the oil, "used in good conditions."
So go read your site a little "friends"of Oliomobile and you will see what can happen to people who, following the wise advice of those who shout loudly" All diesels can run at 50% of HVB without modifying anything "or other nonsense of the same like, had big engine problems ... :frown:

jonule wrote:the diester so-called new fuel can probably overcome these for these so-called modern engines, but it is not said that you have to buy a DCi to ride clean !! -))

Diester® (EMHV) is only a means of bringing a non-fossil fuel within reach of the greatest number, without being aware of it and without having NOTHING to do (which is not the case with HBV). In that sense, it's good.
The only problem is that this fuel is manufactured by large structures and enters the standardized distribution network, but this is the condition to be fulfilled so that it can be used by the greatest number ... :?

jonule wrote:however, I find that the oil allows a temporary situation for biofuel and to be interested in biofuels from nature, it is a very good paliative!
Completely agree, phew finally something sensible : Lol:

jonule wrote:> empty oil bottles can be brought back to the recycling center, they end up with the used oil cans; finally by home. afterwards they must all be incinerated in a closed room which has an air filter at the outlet, right?
The problem is that the energy balance of edible oil in small packaging is not at all that of the HVB, because of health and quality standards to be respected, as well as packaging and transport ...
Then the destruction of the containers adds to the problem.
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by jonule » 30/06/06, 15:11

always so happy again the old man! you don't want to respect the post and moderate your comments, either.
I'm not like you, I don't care if I look like a joke, as long as it's not to look like an old c **! : Mrgreen:

for my part I know what I am saying; you do not even realize that it is you in the end who ends up telling nonsense, probably due to lack of experience ... moreover on this site there are indeed beautiful aneries, it is not nothing as you say !!
spend your time bashing, you will win cahuettes! it seems to succeed you fuel the debate!
it is not by reading your curves that you will arrive at anything, it is rather they which will deceive you; If you went less on oliomobile you would undoubtedly see more clearly; these are not my friends, because there are too many salespeople or others who have an interest in defending fuels like you ... mentality problem, but in the meantime you are an accomplice, I don't find it very beautiful.

I never said in addition that a DCi could run at 100% oil, you decidedly did not understand anything and you do not even want to put your wish.
I told you that they can drive at 50% like everyone else at the moment without changes! try before saying the opposite, collect info, do stats, and neglect what is negligible.
it's because of people like you that this site stinks we can't do anything about it; you didn't have to come into this debate to which you didn't bring anything.
yourself cases that you cited that had supposedly worries, no specific case, testimony, concrete people that can be questioned to see if they are properly comply with the conditions of use, and it did you blame me at the start.
D and TD do not consume too much, contrary to what you say! "a good oiled TD is better than 2 HCCi with petrol you will get it"! ... you prefer to run on petrol, whatever the fouling ... how to make yourself heard right? I leave it to others ;-)
stay in your oil I tell you, you seem to like it!
me and mine we will ride our whole life 100% oil!

CIAO, and thank you, you inflated me well; go find you playmates elsewhere, you should have your quarrel account ...
with that, happy holidays to others :!:
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by professeur31 » 30/06/06, 15:47

jonule wrote:it's because of people like you that this site stinks we can't do anything about it; you didn't have to come into this debate to which you didn't bring anything.

... you prefer to run on petrol, whatever the fouling ... how to make yourself heard right? I leave it to others ;-)
stay in your oil I tell you, you seem to like it!
me and mine we will ride our whole life 100% oil!



I do not see how honest, objective and realistic people cause problems on the site!
On the contrary, they bring their necessary knowledge and experience to advancement.

Nor do I see where it is noted that Bucheron prefers to run on petroleum; it's quite the opposite since it rolls in oil (certainly not 50 or 100%)!

For the TDs: they were excellent engines but they are unfortunately no longer this time and are unable to pass the Euro4 standards (with or without oil for that matter).
Take a scoop:
I have a car equipped with an XUD T 1.9l!
Who says I only see by DCI or HDI?

Let's stay serious !! :D
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by Other » 30/06/06, 16:33

Hello

For the TDs: they were excellent engines but they are unfortunately no longer this time and are unable to pass the Euro4 standards (with or without oil for that matter).


And with trucks, are they also subject to this standard?
I have a little trouble when the government releases reports and who tells us that a polished truck is less than a car? an environmentalist recently supported me that a polished two-stroke mower more than a big construction site camoin! Ho the engines,
the mower burns 0,5 liters an hour and the camoin 60 liters.
Politically the government walks tight buttocks when it touches the trucking industry, it is the economic nerve, it is necessary to avoid starting conflicts. On the pollution side, when you start counting the number of trucks circulating on the highways, it's not like in Russia + truck than car but there is a good% (good I move away from the oil, although the subject is almost finished, apart from a few spills)

I just tested a good% of oil in the 300TD + water doping and as it is recent I would not give precise results.
A small note for those who run on oil, water doping and more significant when walking with oil than when walking with diesel, I wonder if water doping has more effect on engines that have injectors in poor condition. this would explain that the experiments carried out at the beginning of the century with water injection gave such good results, it could also explain the excellent results on old tractors (I am not sure that the cultivators tare their injector at 1000 hours of walking ..)
If the mentality and as here it is common that during the life of an American car nobody changes the oil of the transmission even less of the differrential, I know several who buy a new car and who never changes the oil engine or oil filter, they added and after 50000 km he resells the car!
When you asked a guy who has diesel did you check the injectors? well let's see it's always good!
So don't talk to these people that you run on potato oil, he'll take you for a rollover.

Andre
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by Woodcutter » 30/06/06, 16:43

jonule wrote:always so happy again the old man! you don't want to respect the post and moderate your comments, either.
I'm not like you, I don't care if I look like a joke, as long as it's not to look like an old c **! : Mrgreen:
It's funny, we often say that people running out of arguments come to insults, is that your case?

Why should I moderate my comments? Have I been insulting?

jonule wrote:for my part I know what I am saying; you do not even realize that it is you in the end who ends up telling nonsense, probably due to lack of experience ...
Where's that nonsense? I would like a quote instead of the usual air displacement.

jonule wrote:it is not by reading your curves that you will arrive at anything, it is rather they which will deceive you; If you went less on oliomobile you would undoubtedly see more clearly; these are not my friends, because there are too many salespeople or others who have an interest in defending fuels like you ... mentality problem, but in the meantime you are an accomplice, I don't find it very beautiful.
Who's accomplice of what?
These curves have the big advantages, compared to your words, of being based on a concrete base and not on a vacuum ... : roll:
PS: "friends" was highlighted, it was an underlined, marked, highlighted counter-employment, but apparently you did not see it ... : Lol:

jonule wrote:I never said in addition that a DCi could run at 100% oil, you decidedly did not understand anything and you do not even want to put your wish.
I told you that they can drive at 50% like everyone else at the moment without changes! try before saying the opposite, collect info, do stats, and neglect what is negligible.
Ah ... :frown:
So it was not you who wrote this on June 27 ...
jonule wrote:[...]> I still insist to say that the HDi and DCi work very well at 100% oil, soon to make the right adaptations. [...]
jonule wrote:[...] DCi of that time can run at 80% without any modification, and it was not me who invented it! and everyone can ride at 50% of that time too, without any modification! [...]
Watch out, you got your nickname hacked ... : Lol:

jonule wrote:it's because of people like you that this site stinks we can't do anything about it; you didn't have to come into this debate to which you didn't bring anything.
I bring, at least, a certain rigor and I point the fingers the stupidities announced by eccentric who can not justify anything of what they assert.



jonule wrote:yourself cases that you cited that had supposedly worries, no specific case, testimony, concrete people that can be questioned to see if they are properly comply with the conditions of use, and it did you blame me at the start.
Indeed, I did not chew your work in this specific case : roll: , but it's not very difficult, you just have to go to Oliomobile (what I told you), in the Forum "vegetable fuel technique", section "Engine modification and diesel technology", subsection "Mechanical problems and breakages", it's here !
You will have lots of people to question if you wish ...
Ah but it's true I almost forgot: Oliomobile is a site where "there are too many salespeople or others who have an interest in defending fuels"...
Between us, it's going to make them laugh if they ever read these puns without tail or head ...

jonule wrote:D and TD do not consume too much, contrary to what you say!
Oh ... : roll:
So how is it that, with cars weighing much more than a few years ago (about 10 years ago, the first HDi arrived around 1997-98 I think?) Normalized consumption is at least stable if not falling?
Besides, the engine approval of an atmo still has nothing to do with a modern turbo, but that's another debate.

jonule wrote:"a good oiled TD is better than 2 HCCi with petrol you will get it"! ... you prefer to run on petrol, whatever the fouling ... how to make yourself heard right? I leave it to others ;-)
stay in your oil I tell you, you seem to like it!
me and mine we will ride our whole life 100% oil!
I would like you to quote me one of my interventions which suggests that I prefer to run on petrol. Will you get there

jonule wrote:CIAO, and thank you, you inflated me well; go find you playmates elsewhere, you should have your quarrel account ...
with that, happy holidays to others :!:
As far as I'm concerned, you don't even "inflate" me, and you would completely indifferent me if you didn't say so much nonsense ...

For your information, an exchange of words argued is not an argument, but a discussion.
Are you able to grasp the nuance?
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by Woodcutter » 30/06/06, 16:48

Professor31 wrote:[...] Take a scoop:
I have a car equipped with an XUD T 1.9l!
Who says I only see by DCI or HDI?

Let's stay serious !! :D
Here I bid!
I ride with a 2,1 l turbo XUD : Wink:
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by professeur31 » 30/06/06, 16:53

Andre wrote:Hello

For the TDs: they were excellent engines but they are unfortunately no longer this time and are unable to pass the Euro4 standards (with or without oil for that matter).


And with trucks, are they also subject to this standard?

Andre


Yes André, they are also subject to these standards!
It is clear that one should not resonate in% of pollutants compared to the total mass of exhaust gases rejected because obviously even if a mower pollutes more in% than a truck, it releases much less pollutants into the atmosphere thanks to its low displacement.
What poses the most problems today are NOX because they are difficult to reduce after combustion (costs).
Manufacturers seem to be moving towards solutions aimed at not producing them (drop in combustion temperature = eg HCCI)
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by professeur31 » 30/06/06, 16:59

Woodcutter wrote:
Professor31 wrote:[...] Take a scoop:
I have a car equipped with an XUD T 1.9l!
Who says I only see by DCI or HDI?

Let's stay serious !! :D
Here I bid!
I ride with a 2,1 l turbo XUD : Wink:


pffffffffffffff
Do you know we're going to be scolded by the builders? : Evil:
Go on, I sell my ZX and I buy an HDI.
Okay, I could not run on oil anymore : Mrgreen:
Never mind!
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by Christophe » 30/06/06, 19:00

Professor31 wrote:pffffffffffffff
Do you know we're going to be scolded by the builders? : Evil:
Go on, I sell my ZX and I buy an HDI.
Okay, I could not run on oil anymore : Mrgreen:
Never mind!


Seeing the whole fleet via a pantone that you made him eat at your XUD during the last 100 km well it will surely exceed 000 km your engine!

It is sure that it pleases necessarily that moderately to manufacturers ... (not good for GDP and consumption indices!)

Yep Profmeca31 is the owner of the ZX TD first pantonized car broadcast on the net citroen ZX TD with water injection (info for those who didn't know it maybe yet ...)
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