Diesel incompatible with oil?

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by khartoum » 29/06/06, 17:10

Khartoum wrote: And yes I'm not afraid to say that for economic reasons I'm doing this, but I'm converted. Now it would really be necessary that the oil exceeds 1,10 € so that I return to diesel !!! When the state attacks the price of fuel, it directly attacks my mobility and my freedom!


Which proves that you do not care about the environment ... and that there is only your door money that counts ... And if you really wanted to be free, think a little ... you n would not have a car .... Chiche?
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Nah, I'm attached to the environment. But I do 30 000 terminals per year (it is true not necessarily for work but it is just as important if not more).
As for the bike, I come here (if only for my health) ...
I know, it's not good for small bottles, it burns even worse (but how do they end up otherwise? It's not an argument it's a real question).
But it's true that it's essentially economic, and militant too (the smell !!!).
I know that the future is not rapeseed oil (I have enough potash the site). I do not even think it's oil.
In any case it will be a fuel refined and unpredictable individually, as usual.
While we have methanization of waste, the cultivation of "oleaginous" algae ...
Instead, what are we going to offer for our combustion engines. Hydrogen produced through our beautiful nuclear power plants, sugar cane ethanol or beet, the diester that is the HVP what coca-cola is in the water as a drink!
I seriously think that the future (for insiders) is at CUMA, with two three accomplice producers and a collectively purchased pump. The others, that is to say, they will be fucked anyway with their beautiful HDI and DCI who are not even fucking reliable with a fuel "conventional"!
To return to the price of diesel, no, I do not think I'll go back to pure diesel whatever happens! (I'm just going to change supplier)

Well, otherwise I do not want a conflict (it's good there are enough here) and I do not want to be cited as an example either even if I understood what you meant Jonah;)
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by professeur31 » 29/06/06, 20:10

Woodcutter wrote:
jonule wrote:I think that karthoum is an example of what the citizen must do to overcome the lack of government [...]
: shock: Oh good !!! So buy (refined) oil in non-recyclable plastic bottles and burn them afterwards, so this is an example?
Bravo... : roll:

jonule wrote:> "teacher", we can see that you are on the side of the constructors, given the technical information that you will give ... I don't see what you are doing on this site ... but hey, let's moderate our remarks;
it's not by pounding the oil that you'll be able to make it any less easy, because your petrol engines are not defensible anyway. you can spend your time using technical terms, we see that you know nothing about oil and its practice.
When we read your words, we wonder if you know what means "analysis of a text" or even if you can read ...
Professor31 brings his technical knowledge (that you obviously do not have) of the operation of a modern diesel, it does not say that to roll with the oil is not good, or not possible, or not desirable.
There are simply vehicles that can and others much less easily. We've already had a pretty tight discussion with him and me in the spring on this topic (but I've already said it before so you should have read it ... : roll:) and his technical explanation stands (although it took a long time to let go during this famous discussion : Wink:). If you really care, I'll try to find the links.

With the technical terms the big advantage is that we know what we're talking about ... You're not talking about anything, you're gesticulating ...
Sorry to tell you so bluntly but it's the only impression you leave me ... The comments you write on this post are superficial and unthinking!

jonule wrote:a simple reminder for you and lumberjack: the viscosity depends on the T ° C, which can be controlled on the engines. Remember this is like playing in a sandbox, it is probably why the discussion does not exceed the end of the sock?!
And how do you control your temperature?
I explained to you the steps taken by the only person I read about, seriously, them on the adaptation of a dCi to oil ...
And you do what: NOTHING. You get windy out of the big sentences that mean nothing and you can not justify ...

Moreover, forumOliomobile manufacturers have also carried out viscosity tests and carried out viscosity / T ° diagrams for different mixtures. Go watch them and come back to talk after, when you will know what are you talking about.
It's here !


jonule wrote:bucheron if you want to know the particle rate of oil compared to oil, sorry but this time it's up to you to make an effort and go to document, I have nothing to prove on this forum it's not the club's open mouth, I'm only giving my opinion, the hammers and woodcutters!
: Shock: :frown:
So you, to open your mouth and out of nonsense, you are very strong, but when it comes to being a little credible, there is no one left ... : roll:
You do not just give your opinion, you affirm things that are wrong!
Link for diesel / oil comparison concerning particles: http://www.oliomobile.org/forum/viewtop ... 8891#68891


jonule wrote:stay in your soft poop of oil you seem to like you there apparently! : Lol: : Lol: : Lol:

A last sentence that shows how limited your thinking potential is ...

Find me one of my sentences that would indicate that I am "pro-petroleum" or something similar? :?:


Frankly BUCHERON you're right but I think we waste our time: they understand absolutely nothing and their reaction proves it.
I wonder what makes them say that I am on the side of the builders.
On the other hand, what is certain is that it is the automobile that makes me live and the automobile is there thanks to the builders.
So I have to know and master modern techniques because I have no choice; which does not mean that I agree with technological developments.
For me some are undeniably excellent, others much more fanciful.
This is called objectivity Mr. Jonule.
It is not by rejecting the block of all innovations coming from manufacturers that you will make things happen (especially with the technological knowledge that you advance!).
So if you knew how much I'm involved with PANTONE and any combustion process or gas treatment in order to reduce the emission of pollutants, you would be very surprised and maybe you would stop judging people on unfounded impressions.
Finally Jonah, what separates you from lumberjack and me is this:

1) reflection
2) objectivity
3) realism
4) technical knowledge

You know why the ecology is considered marginal today in FRANCE whereas on the contrary, it deserves its place?

Because of people like you, simply!
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by Exceed » 30/06/06, 01:23

Hello,
Well, say so, you really have time to lose!
It looks like a doubles match !!!
I went to get some diesel at inter and I made several mix to see: GO / recycled sunflower oil and GO / canola oil bottled. For now, the mixtures are homogeneous.

If not for the incompatibility of the oil in recent engines, Professor xNUMX, what would it be? Apart from the viscosity that can be corrected to make it close to that of diesel.
I do not understand why. You also said that there is no probe to control the gases emitted on the diesel ??? Oh! It's new ? They would have lied to me .... Can you develop a little bit? Because from what I understand, the problem comes precisely from this famous probe which is not adapted to the gas emitted by the combustion of oil ...

A + Serge.
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by professeur31 » 30/06/06, 01:30

Exceed wrote:Hello,
Well, say so, you really have time to lose!
It looks like a doubles match !!!
I went to get some diesel at inter and I made several mix to see: GO / recycled sunflower oil and GO / canola oil bottled. For now, the mixtures are homogeneous.

If not for the incompatibility of the oil in recent engines, Professor xNUMX, what would it be? Apart from the viscosity that can be corrected to make it close to that of diesel.
I do not understand why. You also said that there is no probe to control the gases emitted on the diesel ??? Oh! It's new ? They would have lied to me .... Can you develop a little bit? Because from what I understand, the problem comes precisely from this famous probe which is not adapted to the gas emitted by the combustion of oil ...

A + Serge.


I confirm that the lambda sensor (oxygen) does not exist on diesel engines.
So you have to review your sources or take courses in mechanics : Cheesy:
The amount of oxygen produced by a diesel engine is never measured to inform the calculator; you probably confuse with something else.
This confirms what I knew:
Complete ignorance of the operation of modern diesel engines : Evil:
When I do not know, I am silent; it saves me from saying bullshit. : Lol:
For the incompatibility, I invite you to waste some time and read the previous posts.
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by Other » 30/06/06, 05:17

Hello,
when we speak of probe in French it is almost as vague as plug in English.
The term probe does not necessarily mean Lambda, there is pressure temperature ect ..

I can not believe that there is an oxygen sensor on a diesel, this probe has all the miseries to operate on a motor when fueled with aviation fuel 100ll spent a 60 liters it becomes sealed, I imagine with the soot of a diesel, and measure the rate of oxygen in a diesel on which it does not control the air? Probably exceed is talking about a temperature sensor for the catalyst.

Running the new diesel injection high pressure electronic boom, I find you take a risk, when talking about walking it is not 1000km but 50000km without major problems, (not just change the filterers)
These engines are faster and the cylinder head is more fragile than the old diesels. The injectors are more precise and more sensitive to the viscosity of the liquid, which is why the filtration is even more advanced. In reality, it is not the good engines for oily.
Son has disassembled a culase on a jetta 1990 who walked in the oil a 35000 km, engine quite dirty but the nozzle nozzles had all the difficulty to go down on their seat, like a kind of exfoliation, there was also dirt at the level of the injectors, it was also known that the fliter was clogged several times and that often it rolled with little diesel and even 100% oil and to repair the fuel filter replaced by a simple gasoline filter.
After cleaning and calibration of the injectors everything has returned ..
But I think that the young driver will be a little more particular when he will walk to the oil, at least have a diesel filter, and filter a little better oil, walk with more reasonable ratio when it is more fresh..

It's not just the viscosity of the oil that comes into play,
Already on the old diesel engine when we change oil so we notice a differrence, even warm, we find that the engine performs better, if we increase the advance and if we tare the injectors 25 bars higher, This is an indication that the combustion is different depending on the type of oil (canola peanut or corn.

I repeat again that instead of diesel, we can add very little gasoline ordinary oil and we arrive at the same result as with gas oil mix with oil. one of the drawbacks is if the heating of the fuel exceeds the 70c and that the gasoline ratio is a little big, it involves vapor caps in the ducts, it is the only problem to date that happens only in a driving in summer caught in the traffic.

It's been years that in the far north, where temperatures are extreme, this method of putting gasoline in diesel is used, even on large radial aircraft engines (Beavers) there is a system called dilution who consits to send a pint of gasoline in the engine oil to lighten it to start it, then during warming the gasoline evaporates. When I see the new mechanics as soon as an injection engine is drowned and he does not leave, he changes the oil (contaminated) they should do an internship in the north in winter.

Leave the meters additives in the diesel and dilute the oil with gasoline, it should ask the question to oily experienced,
on their forum.

Andre
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by professeur31 » 30/06/06, 10:32

Andre wrote:Hello,
when we speak of probe in French it is almost as vague as plug in English.
The term probe does not necessarily mean Lambda, there is pressure temperature ect ..

I can not believe that there is an oxygen sensor on a diesel, this probe has all the miseries to operate on a motor when fueled with aviation fuel 100ll spent a 60 liters it becomes sealed, I imagine with the soot of a diesel, and measure the rate of oxygen in a diesel on which it does not control the air? Probably exceed is talking about a temperature sensor for the catalyst.

Running the new diesel injection high pressure electronic boom, I find you take a risk, when talking about walking it is not 1000km but 50000km without major problems, (not just change the filterers)
These engines are faster and the cylinder head is more fragile than the old diesels. The injectors are more precise and more sensitive to the viscosity of the liquid, which is why the filtration is even more advanced. In reality, it is not the good engines for oily.
Son has disassembled a culase on a jetta 1990 who walked in the oil a 35000 km, engine quite dirty but the nozzle nozzles had all the difficulty to go down on their seat, like a kind of exfoliation, there was also dirt at the level of the injectors, it was also known that the fliter was clogged several times and that often it rolled with little diesel and even 100% oil and to repair the fuel filter replaced by a simple gasoline filter.
After cleaning and calibration of the injectors everything has returned ..
But I think that the young driver will be a little more particular when he will walk to the oil, at least have a diesel filter, and filter a little better oil, walk with more reasonable ratio when it is more fresh..

It's not just the viscosity of the oil that comes into play,
Already on the old diesel engine when we change oil so we notice a differrence, even warm, we find that the engine performs better, if we increase the advance and if we tare the injectors 25 bars higher, This is an indication that the combustion is different depending on the type of oil (canola peanut or corn.

I repeat again that instead of diesel, we can add very little gasoline ordinary oil and we arrive at the same result as with gas oil mix with oil. one of the drawbacks is if the heating of the fuel exceeds the 70c and that the gasoline ratio is a little big, it involves vapor caps in the ducts, it is the only problem to date that happens only in a driving in summer caught in the traffic.

It's been years that in the far north, where temperatures are extreme, this method of putting gasoline in diesel is used, even on large radial aircraft engines (Beavers) there is a system called dilution who consits to send a pint of gasoline in the engine oil to lighten it to start it, then during warming the gasoline evaporates. When I see the new mechanics as soon as an injection engine is drowned and he does not leave, he changes the oil (contaminated) they should do an internship in the north in winter.

Leave the meters additives in the diesel and dilute the oil with gasoline, it should ask the question to oily experienced,
on their forum.

Andre


Hi Andrew.
Of course you're right!
Go again a little info (to avoid hearing more nonsense :D ):
Effectively the sensors found on the exhaust system equipped with FAP are sensors:
1) Differential pressure to measure FAP clogging rate
2) Temperature in the case of a FAP.

No interest in placing an oxygen sensor on a diesel engine; it operates at 98% of the time in excess of air and oxygen.

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by jonule » 30/06/06, 11:22

> lumberjack: I don't care if I don't seem credible to you, I assure you that is not the purpose of this site;

> high school teacher 31: I see that you continue to fuel the controversy, yes, then we will have to go through it:
- if "we do not understand" according to you and well let us debate and learn between us, and wait to see; but do not just just "tap on your fingers" but know that DCi I am against it;
- the car is not there thanks to the builders but thanks to the motorists, it is there I say your way of seeing;
- you do not have to follow only the modern techniques, you can very well only interest you with the old ones who are worth the blow and which proved their worth, you will see that by getting older when you take the time; )
- I am not an ecologist or ecologist, I am an alternative point barre;
- and YES, I reject the engine in petole;


there is a probe connected to the exhaust on a diesel engine when there is a cataliseur?! yes of T ° C, but it is true that it has commonly been called lambda on a lot of forum and confused with the EGR, that is ...
but if it is not to provide information and say "Then you have to review your sources or take courses mecha me, when I do not know, I'm silent, it prevents me from saying bullshit." well thank you, you could have avoided intervening you bring nothing to this post ...
my probe is my nose when I see a black cloud coming out of a so-called modern diesel engine that accelerates I say "EGR valve dirt" ...

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good andré this may not be the subject but,

yes the common ramps are real oil engines and that's what I shouted; and that I regret.

however with an oil compliant with the standards (see German filtered 1µm <10 or I do not know any more ppm of phosphorus) finally with the standards "DCi" they have no problems to run with oil; it is the other D and TD who will morfler for nothing at the portfolio level I deplore it ...
with the on-board computer / calculator there is way to establish good instructions of T ° C fuel, it can probably happen otherwise without just deceiving the T ° C fuel sensor ... in short, the oil Well viscous hot fluid is good for an engine!
on a pantone can be warmed up very quickly after starting the "fuel" via the muffler and a thermostatic valve ... for the oil it uses electricity for the cold start always, and the engine coolant hot, that's enough. for the filter it is true that in a study I saw that an ideal filter would be 67μm and not 5μm for oil, which makes black the oil filter.
so yes there are many adaptations to make, but it's the same principle, we just work with a fuel whose viscosity must be mastered. in 5 10 years when the average DIYer has put his hand under the hood and connected the computer to his computer, we can do what we want ...

next technology builder, there have to see the injectors DCi injectors kangoo renault kangoo, to name a few ... HA those will soon require a great diesel fuel 3 times more expensive! when the oil is refined by its poor quality, it will be necessary to pay ... they will have had the choice to buy another technology.
what renault does not manufacture anymore D, TD?

I did not make contact with German friends for lack of language; but I think that if the standard on fuel oil were to evolve too drastically, because of the manufacturers, it would lead to the manufacture of an oil with expensive processes and would change the deal, which is thus favorable to the oil companies to sell their OIL a maximum.

that is how, knowing it, we can go for a purchase to an indirect injection pump bosch which will be able to roll and start 100% oil, with a biofuel whose energy balance is the best without dispute, no sulfur and less fuel. particles, no mafia network (our fuel does not come from France).
do you know how we recycle particulate filters (yeah FAP, yo!)? do you find normal black sputum at acceleration? thank you ecological "builders", I understand that they are your enemy professor31.

André, yes to run the oil must be the T ° C engine is good, we have time that the engine is hot, not to wait at the red light in town I mean; to reserve so the field of transport, not necessarily the average person I agree. for tractors in plowing it's perfect, and their energy independence too.
but cold a diesel engine clogs up in oil anyway ...

at 100% oil I do not have any pressure problem in the caps, I roll 100% recycled oil and 0.5% acetone, it gives + fishing engine, the oil is better sprayed. at 175 bars the injectors do not have to overload the engine anyway at 250.000 km and will still last the same mileage. is there a DCi in the room to compete? -)
anyway on these engines there is always a little fouling, except that it is not oil so it's good. here is the reasoning what else to say?
I only put 10% of heating oil as antifreeze when it is less than 5 ° C (2 to 3 months?), it is very efficient.

I have not heard so far / seen major problem due to the oil, "used in good conditions."
the diester so-called new fuel can probably overcome these for these so-called modern engines, but it is not said that you have to buy a DCi to ride clean !! -))

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however, I find that the oil allows a temporary situation for biofuel and to be interested in biofuels from nature, it is a very good paliative!

> empty oil bottles can be brought back to the recycling center, they end up with the used oil cans; finally by home. afterwards they must all be incinerated in a closed room which has an air filter at the outlet, right?
HA if you could use salad oil directly in a dispenser! : Mrgreen:

"a good oiled catalyzed TD is better than 2 HCCi oil tankers you will have it"
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by Exceed » 30/06/06, 11:55

Hello,

Thank you for this constructive response, Professor31.
Judgment is easy.
If you read also my interventions on this post, you will see that at the base, it was to reframe the debate on the subject and make you aware of the non-constructive speech that is laid. Agree with you, my knowledge on the new diesels are surely not up to yours ... that, I do not even doubt it! On the other hand, when we are not able to explain or we do not want to, we do not call ourselves a professor ... I know a certain category of people who believe themselves to be part of an elite, perhaps to make you left? For me, respect and tolerance do not allow me to judge you, do not treat you as a badger, and that answers of this style, you do not go out grown ... Too bad!
And yes, there are also people who participate in this forum to learn .... but you, I think it's not worth waiting for something !!!
Thank you to others.

A + Serge.
PS: To come back to the subject, my two tests are always homogeneous after 24h.
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by professeur31 » 30/06/06, 12:12

Exceed wrote:Hello,

Thank you for this constructive response, Professor31.
Judgment is easy.
If you read also my interventions on this post, you will see that at the base, it was to reframe the debate on the subject and make you aware of the non-constructive speech that is laid. Agree with you, my knowledge on the new diesels are surely not up to yours ... that, I do not even doubt it! On the other hand, when we are not able to explain or we do not want to, we do not call ourselves a professor ... I know a certain category of people who believe themselves to be part of an elite, perhaps to make you left? For me, respect and tolerance do not allow me to judge you, do not treat you as a badger, and that answers of this style, you do not go out grown ... Too bad!
And yes, there are also people who participate in this forum to learn .... but you, I think it's not worth waiting for something !!!
Thank you to others.

A + Serge.
PS: To come back to the subject, my two tests are always homogeneous after 24h.


Ben I do not see what I could not or wanted to explain!
Look at the number of info I gave; everyone does not do as much as I know!
I am absolutely not part of the elite and I just say what I know and I do not know everything!
For me, we must not move things when we do not master them!
If for you this is intolerance, it's a shame but it is so!
When I do not master a subject, I listen, I get an idea and especially: I AM ME! waiting to be able to advance certain things.
This is how everyone should do and that would prevent us from circling !!!
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by jonule » 30/06/06, 13:57

no, it's just your point of view, which is not necessarily shared; this method has moreover more than one defect ...
but in short try to make sure that the debate exceeds the tip of the shoe and we agree: to intervene on this post after having information on this hypothetical "new diesel".
in any case: we do not agree, well it's not worse.

for my part I would not miscibility tests because I am convinced (but I can be wrong) that this info is not one; so I will not intervene anymore.

Experimenters to experiment (if we leave them the possibility of course)!
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