Tips for Driving in e85 without kit

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by jean63 » 11/09/07, 12:18

gab wrote:ok I will see

in terms of price, this is a priori the rate in France, but I can beneicier a tax credit of EUR 2000 of which would put me in my gpl 800euros (pretty competitive!)

level maintenance, how it happens with lpg car?

Ok I forgot the tax credit ... it changes everything !! Here it gets interesting (to be calculated according to the number of kilometers traveled in a year).

Maintenance = NOTHING for me. But that doesn't mean it's always the case. Some assemblies are problematic and it is also related to the type of engine. You need a "nickel" ignition network with spark plugs replaced perhaps a little more often.

What is spectacular is the color and viscosity of engine oil after + eral thousands of miles, it is like new. This fuel does not clog the engine: everything is clean home clean (when I compare diesel: seen by removing the EGR valve).

I simply had to change the safety valve on the tank in 2000 (compulsory following the change of standard in France: to align with Italy, Holland, etc.). The low cost was partially covered by the State.
Now this valve is fitted as standard.

One problem: If you want a good autonomy LPG requires a large tank and there it is at the expense of space in the trunk. With a tank ring set in place of the spare wheel autonomy is very limited and as we do not find LPG at all street corners and especially not self service night (or very little: I do have ever seen), you risk to roll very often al'essence, which limits the value of having a LPG installed on the car. I 650 700 to kms of autonomy only GPL because it takes the tank can be filled to 80% capacity (security pressure) ...... therefore up to you.

If I had to choose ajd, I'm not sure at all that I would install the GPL, but my car is amortized at amortized as it rolls and I make it last. : Mrgreen: not so green because it comes from oil but it balances a little less harmful to health in the surrounding air and a little more CO2 than diesel.
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by gab » 12/09/07, 09:19

not so green because it comes from oil but it balances a little less harmful to health in the surrounding air and a little more CO2 than diesel.


that's clear
but hey it's a bit better than the rest

in terms of the tank, I think he will put in the trunk (and I do not lack of space is a break!)

for depreciation in one year my gpl be refunded and as I can not afford to change cars every 3 years, it is expected to make it last this one!

Thank you for all the info:!
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by Former Oceano » 12/09/07, 21:23

Let's say that LPG fuel is the valuation of a production waste that would otherwise have been burned by a torch from the refinery ... It's always oil is not good, but it's a bit better than gasoline or diesel.
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by gab » 13/10/07, 09:34

here is an appointment made for Monday
my car goes to lpg
hoping to have made the right choice.
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by jean63 » 14/10/07, 23:21

Bonne chance.

My R25 of 1989 310 000 now kms and it is still running (the engine running even more LPG than petrol).

For now dc is not the worst solution and maybe even the best (biofuels widely criticized for several reasons, very reduced distrib network; diesel widespread but apart from a little lower emission CO2 for the rest is not great: very dangerous particles to the lungs + NOx ozone producer in town by strong heat - which is common -). It remains the only hybrid but Toyota knows how and expensive, so wait a little and LPG is not so bad. I forgot the CNG, but no distro network and the only vehicle is the Citroen C3 with CNG charging at home (very limited autonomy).
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by gab » 17/10/07, 09:58

speaking of hybrid car

http://www.moteurnature.com/actu/uneact ... ws_id=2007

there is a logan .... yep ...

for now I have been given a replacement car to LPG, I am divided on the level of driving ... she stalls at a standstill ?! and especially it smells of gas ... but hey it's a car loan!
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by jean63 » 17/10/07, 14:57

There is a logan .... yep ...


No, it's a prototype but not hybrid (read the article). Following the modifications made, it became very sober (3,8l / 10km) which explains the low rejection of CO2.
With a rear spoiler, a flexible blade under the front bumper, wheel deflectors and especially vortex generators (small aerodynamic elements on the roof of the vehicle to reduce its drag, we see a little at the rear end ), the Cx fall in 0.36 0.29. Fabulous !

Hard to believe on all new cars they have not applied the same formula to arrive at such a result. It's still a shame that starting from the most basic car market and with some mods we get to that.

Like what, no need to talk but action.

for now I have been given a replacement car to LPG, I am divided on the level of driving ... she stalls at a standstill ?! and especially it smells
a faint smell of gas ... but it's a car loan!
This is the power supply adjustment problem GPL to see a specialist LPG.
For the smell, there may be a slight odor but it is normal, otherwise see air filter to replace.
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by gab » 19/10/07, 13:14

yes I read the article after !!!

coconne daughter : Cry:

otherwise I hope there will not this smell of gas ... I find it quite unpleasant.

I think retrieve my car next week how it goes we'll see!
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by elekaj34 » 08/11/07, 21:08

Bonsoir

Although the subject was derived on the GPL, I'd like some information about the E85.

I have a gasoline car (runs on SP95), it's a Kangoo 1,2L 75CV.

I intend to put E85% 25 from 100% to reach a run. And if possible without modifications.

I read that the E85 a PCI 6,33 kWh / l against 8,83 kWh / l for SP95 (either 28% of calorific value less). I wonder if my computer will not amend it even offset this decline PCI.

Similarly, the stoichiometric ratio is 9,8 for E85, for 14,8 for SP95. So in theory, it will be necessary to adjust the computer to correct this (or then correct the output of the lambda probe)
What happens if no changes are made on this?

For my needs, I do not seek to have my 75CV (it's the delirium of similar powers), 53 CV (75-28%) are more than enough for my needs. But I would like to know how the engine will behave.

What I want is to have a car that runs clean (I know it is ironic), and no engine power galore.

Thank you to enlighten me on these points.

Sincerely,

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by gab » 21/11/07, 13:30

dsl I can not help you
I now ride lpg for my recent car and 50 / 50 sp95 / e85 for the old
tell you if it's cleaner ... I doubt it ..
but there must have experts in the corner!
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