Laigret project: financing and fundraising

[phil53]

The Anvar are nice ... but do not count 100% above.
Take any public subsidies like a BONUS!

Bcp too much business break their mouths after exhausting their grant Anvar ...

So subsidies: yes but not that!

Totally agree with the subsidies especially regarding the Anvar.

I also vote for the creation of a company, it will be much easier to work with one or more labs.
But it's a lot more complicated to manage.
It takes a legal form and as soon as it is created you need money. The 10k € mentioned above will evaporate quickly, one must be aware of it.
So before creating it, you need an action plan.

[Christophe]

It takes an association AND ONLY in case of (first) successes create an LLC ...

An LLC has only one goal: to make money which is difficult to compare with the Open Source Concept of the project ... and especially with community projects.

There are other more appropriate legal forms I think like cooperatives ...

[C moa]

The Anvar are nice ... but do not count 100% above.
Take any public subsidies like a BONUS!

Personally I did not have that good echoes of the ANVAR / OSEO (in particular at the level management and time to devote for results often poor or null) but it is necessary to see, there may be grants of general advice, regional , agreements with communities of communes .... Like Christophe, I think that we must take them as bonuses.

Although our approach is topublic utility, I do not want the future of the project to be dependent on one person who will decide or not by signing a piece of paper for the survival of the project.

An LLC has only one goal: to make money which is difficult to compare with the Open Source Concept of the project ... and especially with community projects.

I think that whatever the form (asso or SARL) we will give the spirit that we want to this structure. There are 1901 law associations that run after the dough and grants, have head offices to palir many big boxes. Their presidents behave like bosses, the members have nothing to say !!!
On the contrary, we can very well have a company that has an ethic and principles (that goes for me with the econological spirit). I think it is still possible to set up long-term structures that are not tied to their share price.

Regarding open source, it's the same, often people think that we are open source, we share everything and then many people will embark on the adventure either there is a patent and everything is blocked . In reality, we do what we want, having a patent does not prohibit the dissemination of information. We can even say that if it is a municipality that wants to launch an installation we do not ask anything, if it is Vinci or Bouygues they are asked for royalties (it makes money).

I also vote for the creation of a company, it will be much easier to work with one or more labs.
But it's a lot more complicated to manage.
It takes a legal form and as soon as it is created you need money. The 10k € mentioned above will evaporate quickly, one must be aware of it.
So before creating it, you need an action plan.

For me, managing an asso is as complicated as running a business if you do it seriously! And even with an asso, it is necessary to make a plan of action, to divide the roles and to be serious.
Moreover, it is often thought that there are immediately charges for a company that has not been confirmed to me recently that this is not always the case.
For k € 10, I agree with you, this is also why I think having a company will open doors for external financing more easily than in the case of an association.

It takes an association AND ONLY in case of (first) successes create an LLC ...

It is true that initially I was seduced by this idea but I say to myself that finally we will have to do three times the work: creation of the asso then creation of the SARL with the transfer of the assets of the association towards the company, closing of the asso (or administration if we do not want to close it).

Take into account that for the moment we are not very numerous in the boat (even in the current debate where everyone can give their opinion), I think it better to save some of our strength to concentrate on the technical aspects, the contacts, the financing ... !!!

[Capt_Maloche]

and even before that, the methodology

to target and quantify the necessary equipment

to do that we do not need money

[C moa]

and even before that, the methodology

to target and quantify the necessary equipment

to do that we do not need money

Oh but of course!
Moreover, the investigation continues on this side I hope the schools we contacted can help us.

Nevertheless, we must also think about the important question of structure. The sooner we talk about it and more serenely we can choose.

[Christophe]

having a company will open doors for external financing more easily than in the case of an association.

For funding via grants, especially European (less lobbysées ... do not be afraid of words!): It's the opposite, better to be an association than a society to receive subsidies! Ditto for donations or dues ... otherwise it's called a ... action! No?

There are plenty of associations that live ONLY! The associative world is quite rotten from this point of view (it's the race for the one who sucks the most credits!) ...

And who is talking to you about liquidating the association after Laigret? As I said above: out of the question to create an association on a single project (we did not even talk about water doping)! So the association. would sideline the work of the LLC!

In fact the association. would do the work of R&D, the most risky therefore ...

I can still change my mind but set up an SARL to do R&D, that is to say without any certainty of result ... well it stinks!

[C moa]

For funding via grants, especially European (less lobbysées ... do not be afraid of words!): It's the opposite, better to be an association than a society to receive subsidies! Ditto for donations or dues ... otherwise it's called a ... action! No?

It's true, but can a small project like ours interest them? A few years ago, the president of an NGO of which I was part told me that their first requests had been refused because "my son was not expensive enough ...". Maybe being in Belgium you have more info on the subject, maybe also things have changed since ....

There are plenty of associations that live ONLY! The associative world is quite rotten from this point of view (it's the race for the one who sucks the most credits!) ...

Typically, I'm not sure I want to fight these vampires very well organized (in terms of recovering the sub in any case).

And who is talking to you about liquidating the association after Laigret?

Reread what I wrote, I said either we close or we keep it but in this case it will administer (it's two structures and we are little for now).

As I said above: out of the question to create an association on a single project (we did not even talk about water doping)! So the association. would sideline the work of the LLC!

We can also say that the SARL can provide geo foundetou or equipment and skills to help them to model and finalize their projects. I think it works both ways.

In fact the association. would do the work of R&D, the most risky therefore ...

I can still change my mind but set up an SARL to do R&D, that is to say without any certainty of result ... well it stinks!

In R&D, I agree that nothing is decided in advance (that's also what is fascinating not ??) but it is as true for the association as for the LLC. In both cases, we will have a budget and once this budget is consumed, if we have not confirmed and / or found anything, we will have to move on.
The mistake not to do with the LLC is to be a guarantee of anything!