4 kg of dry grass 1 kg of oil => Grégoire Kaplan

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by Christophe » 15/01/12, 18:07

dedeleco wrote:Grégoire Kaplan's studies and patents are not on the internet, and it's a mistake, because it's still a secret, for the rest of the world.


It would not be this one? http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicat ... 39A1&KC=A1

Or http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicat ... 54A1&KC=A1
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by Obamot » 15/01/12, 18:08

dedeleco wrote:
Chatelot wrote:it takes some skill to sort the truth from the wrong and move towards a practical solution
by cutting through idiots are visible by their inconsistencies and contradictions.


Is not that how we do to realize that ... 'leco copied / pasted stuff he can not check, since there are only slab? : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 15/01/12, 18:15

Roh will not repeat the 2 zouaves there?

Here are the 2 patents cited above in .pdf, I assume it's the same Gregoire Kaplan:

a) 1975 version: https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... BynALk.pdf

b) 1996 (20 years later, as if by "chance"?): https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... 6Qopyy.pdf

Decorate this instead of bickering and scattering ...
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by Obamot » 15/01/12, 18:20

Not sure he's getting that kind of consideration ...! Image
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by dedeleco » 15/01/12, 22:13

Thank you to Christophe for having released the texts of these beautiful patents.

These patents are remarkable and to learn thoroughly, because true course summary of the minimum to know, chemistry and bio, dating from the Xnumx ananées, patented to use them to make fuel !!
Roh will not repeat the 2 zouaves there?


The text of these patents contrasts dramatically with the ordinary patent texts that say as little as possible, especially the essential guidelines.
The first patent lists the armada of possibilities among what exists of known.
The second is more precise, but general with many specific examples, given the vastness of possible microorganisms.

The merule is easy to cultivate unintentionally and very effective in reducing any cellulose, any wood, even in a beautiful house, to a soft chic, and it is surprising that this patent is the only one to consider its use.
This patent uses fermentation in alcohol or vinegar, well known!
Finally, by reacting the two together, in ethyl acetate has good characteristic odor, good fuel !!
And basic course of organic chemistry (Pastor knew this very well) !!
It's very simple, who has not drunk his jam by forgetting it too long, and makes vinegar with fermented grape juice!
And both, after a light purification, combined, give you a good fuel at good octane !!

This patent is first a critique of current absurd bio fuel solutions, while all plant waste discarded and left to rot everywhere, are usable.

This patent has made accurate tests and therefore can be used on a small local scale.
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by chatelot16 » 15/01/12, 22:53

the merule is a very effective mushroom to destroy the wood ... but really to destroy it at a loss and to make only CO2: the resulting mass of merule is negligible

these patents are bizarre, they do not describe a precise invention, but a bunch of possibilities without a precise method
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by dedeleco » 15/01/12, 23:14

chatelot16 wrote:the merule is a very effective mushroom to destroy the wood ... but really to destroy it at a loss and to make only CO2: the mass of resultant merule is negligible

these patents are weird, they do not describe a specific invention, but a bunch of possibilities without a precise method


The merule she grows very soft and full of monks (used after hydrolysis), often in recesses underground, by recovering the CO2 cleared to grow plants or algae, is not so negligible, so well harvested with its mycelium !!
It is the same, that the fermentation also in principle, a living organism feeds, lives, releases remaining waste, which can be used.

I think that this way of seeing "wasted" or "the mass of resulting dry rot is negligible" prevented serious consideration of this patent, more precise than it seems !!
With that well known facts for a long time !!
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by chatelot16 » 15/01/12, 23:44

every time there is release of CO2 it is the proof that there is loss of energy

if you burn whole sugar cane it's more energy than the alcohol produced by the fermentation ... but we're still very happy with the work of the fermentation that makes alcohol of greater value than the solid fuel, and it is necessary to accept the part that the fermentation transforms into CO2

to make fuel with biomass, the passage through microorganisms does not have a good performance: the gasifier is better and especially faster

similarly for methanation, I use it because it works well with wet waste that I do not want to dry ... but the performance is much worse than burning
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by dedeleco » 16/01/12, 00:58

Yes, it is necessary to quantify, but without that, which recovers plants and algae discarded and abandoned totally, we have no renewable fuel simply and cheap, storable, almost identical to the current fuels, without changing the engines, nor add bulky gasogens, as some in the 1940 years.
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by chatelot16 » 16/01/12, 01:17

I do not want to put the gasogen in the car ... the small gazogene too simple are too bad

I do not see the gasogene as a first step before fischer tropsh: so to make real fuel usable in normal engines

and as fischer tropsh is too complicated for me I leave this step to another

while waiting, the purification of the gazogene gas already gives a certain amount of acetone and methanol directly usable instead of gasoline

it also gives acetic acid that I can turn into acetone via lime acetate ... the electrolysis of kolb gives another way to enhance the acetic acid, but it makes ethane that is a gas, less easy to store than acetone
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