Given these 2 patents, followed by conclusive studies, it is certain that the carbon and energy balance is positive, even if it is 4 6 kilos of herbs (function of its humidity) for a kilo of oil .
The patent is general, microorganisms, which degrade in various fatty acids, then decarboxylation, which can be made of various means, electrolysis Kolbe, dating from 1849, but many other classics, even enzymes, and detailed in wikipedia, achievable with biological means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolbe_electrolysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decarboxylation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_decarboxylation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboxylic_acid
Given the generality, there are hundreds of variations to achieve this, and it is scandalous that hundreds of chemists and patents are stifled, instead of using it to convert plant waste into oil.
Reflecting, a little, the most effective, is to achieve a small system, of the biogas digester type, improved, with the good bacteria, to make instead the fatty acids, which are easy to convert then into carbon chains of oil.
At least farmers could use it for their tractors, more easily than biogas, by having this digester improved, giving oil instead of bio gas.
In searching, there must be plenty of other similar patents at least for algae, which are also converted to oil elsewhere.
Grégoire Kaplan's studies and patents are not on the internet, and it's a mistake, because it's still a secret, for the rest of the world.
Vu the quantity of various plants that I see abandoned, thrown, burned in the open, scumming around my home, there is enough to greatly reduce the release of CO2, without trouble!
4 kg of dry grass 1 kg of oil => Grégoire Kaplan
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no matter what politicard's behavior ... the first thing to do is to diffuse the precise know-how
1ere stage: hydrolysis of cellulose to make sugar: it is true that it is already described in the chemistry book before 1900 ... but it requires concentrated acid that is not gratiut .. So it is not profitable unless a very good chemist mastered the recycling of reagents used ... I am not good enough chemist to make me a serious opinion the top
for 2 other stages, I'm completely dropped ... apel good chemists to study this
everything that can make energy will become profitable when the energy will be more expensive ... but do not wait until the energy is too expensive to begin to work: it is necessary to study now to be ready before the energy crisis will also raise the price of materials, and we can not build anything anymore
1ere stage: hydrolysis of cellulose to make sugar: it is true that it is already described in the chemistry book before 1900 ... but it requires concentrated acid that is not gratiut .. So it is not profitable unless a very good chemist mastered the recycling of reagents used ... I am not good enough chemist to make me a serious opinion the top
for 2 other stages, I'm completely dropped ... apel good chemists to study this
everything that can make energy will become profitable when the energy will be more expensive ... but do not wait until the energy is too expensive to begin to work: it is necessary to study now to be ready before the energy crisis will also raise the price of materials, and we can not build anything anymore
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Vacherie is very sturdy cellulose and various bacteria do this, even in the stomachs of cows, after again adequate bacteria, then the decarboxylation of Kolbe.
A serious research on google and scholarwill find all the necessary information for sure !! to try and a little simplistic version, because it's old and basic chemistry with a little bio, kind of improved yoghurt.
A serious research on google and scholarwill find all the necessary information for sure !! to try and a little simplistic version, because it's old and basic chemistry with a little bio, kind of improved yoghurt.
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it would be too good if google gave everything to go until realization
just see all the c ...... that I find on the strirling ... it takes some skill to sort the true from the false and move towards a practical solution
the problem with chemistry and biology is that I miss too much to move on ... so I leave that to other
for biomass I prefer another way that has already proved its worth: gasogene and explosion engine
to make better the gasogen produced CO and hydrogen: it can make hydrocarbon by synthesis of Fischer tropsh: this is not a hypothesis: the German did it during the last war ... it is always done in South Africa
and I just learned that it is also in the oil-producing countries where there is methane with no good way to transport it and sell it ... GTL method: gas to liquid: transform the methane into H2 and CO then fischer tropsh to make oil
I also experimented methanisation ... but it's slow ... it takes a big tank to hope for a good flow ... the yield is often worse than the theory, the bacteria do not their heads ... the gazogene works well in small size without big investment
for fischer tropsh ... that's another story ... google gives nothing serious
for the gazogene google does not give any good either: it is especially in old books that I found what it is necessary
just see all the c ...... that I find on the strirling ... it takes some skill to sort the true from the false and move towards a practical solution
the problem with chemistry and biology is that I miss too much to move on ... so I leave that to other
for biomass I prefer another way that has already proved its worth: gasogene and explosion engine
to make better the gasogen produced CO and hydrogen: it can make hydrocarbon by synthesis of Fischer tropsh: this is not a hypothesis: the German did it during the last war ... it is always done in South Africa
and I just learned that it is also in the oil-producing countries where there is methane with no good way to transport it and sell it ... GTL method: gas to liquid: transform the methane into H2 and CO then fischer tropsh to make oil
I also experimented methanisation ... but it's slow ... it takes a big tank to hope for a good flow ... the yield is often worse than the theory, the bacteria do not their heads ... the gazogene works well in small size without big investment
for fischer tropsh ... that's another story ... google gives nothing serious
for the gazogene google does not give any good either: it is especially in old books that I found what it is necessary
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it takes some skill to sort the truth from the wrong and move towards a practical solution
It is certain, but by cutting the idiots are visible by their inconsistencies and contradictions.
fischer tropsh ... that's another story ... google does not give anything serious
google gives ebook books that are found looking good, especially very old.
But the future is bacteria, if you want to control everything, then very big work and therefore you have to accept simple and less effective, but given the natural degradation, he has the means to achieve it, if we do not seek perfection, taking and selecting stomach bacteria from cows !!
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seaweed is also an interesting thing ... but there is also not enough practical information to try
the photosynthesis of the algae has the advantage of being able to benefit from a rather high rate of CO2, so to be able to benefit from the CO2 rejected by any combustion ... except if there is too much toxic stuff in the smoke .. the algae will not work with the CO2 incineration plants
but blah, for photosynthesis including algae requires large sensor area, why build transparent tube full of seaweed while trees are built alone and make a fuel easy to store like wood!
Long live the forest! the best solar collector that has always worked
the photosynthesis of the algae has the advantage of being able to benefit from a rather high rate of CO2, so to be able to benefit from the CO2 rejected by any combustion ... except if there is too much toxic stuff in the smoke .. the algae will not work with the CO2 incineration plants
but blah, for photosynthesis including algae requires large sensor area, why build transparent tube full of seaweed while trees are built alone and make a fuel easy to store like wood!
Long live the forest! the best solar collector that has always worked
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Not seen the details yet, but 4kg / = 1L of fuel ca seems very optimistic.
Contradiction with the numbers here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/biogaz-met ... t2338.html where it takes between 10 and 20 kg to make 1L equivalent of fuel oil ...
It also reminds me of Laigret oil: https://www.econologie.com/projet-laigre ... -3917.html
Contradiction with the numbers here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/biogaz-met ... t2338.html where it takes between 10 and 20 kg to make 1L equivalent of fuel oil ...
It also reminds me of Laigret oil: https://www.econologie.com/projet-laigre ... -3917.html
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to make 4kg of dry grass it takes ten kg of whole grass
then to make 1kg of oil, which will not do entirely good diesel
but no matter the exact performance as long as it uses a raw material that easily grows
the problem is the price of the material to do it
and the problem is not only technological! it is mostly economic or sociological ... a few years ago we were able to build heavy machinery like water mill that was profitable in several generations ... and some of which still turn as a historical monument
today to launch an industrial project it must be as profitable as bankers dream ... so never nothing is profitable
only individuals who invest in profitable equipment in addition to 10ans
so to progress in renewable energies it is necessary to invent a new method of financing, indepandante of the bankster
then to make 1kg of oil, which will not do entirely good diesel
but no matter the exact performance as long as it uses a raw material that easily grows
the problem is the price of the material to do it
and the problem is not only technological! it is mostly economic or sociological ... a few years ago we were able to build heavy machinery like water mill that was profitable in several generations ... and some of which still turn as a historical monument
today to launch an industrial project it must be as profitable as bankers dream ... so never nothing is profitable
only individuals who invest in profitable equipment in addition to 10ans
so to progress in renewable energies it is necessary to invent a new method of financing, indepandante of the bankster
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