The "anti 4 x 4" device coming soon to us

[sen-no-sen]

We can welcome the initiative, however, it remains largely insufficient.
It is high time to ban traffic in city centers, regardless of the type of motorized vehicle or fuel (except electric scooter).
For the rest of the agglomeration, the implementation of urban tolls is curiously awaited ... yet this measure could finance free public transport.

[Ahmed]

... yet this measure could finance free public transport.

... and strengthen the segregation of the poor = public transport and the rich = car!
Rather than introducing restrictive measures that are difficult to apply, it would be better to institute free public transport ...

[Leo Maximus]

We can welcome the initiative, however, it remains largely insufficient.
It is high time to ban traffic in city centers, regardless of the type of motor vehicle or fuel (except electric scooter) ...

Unauthorized parking has finally become impossible in many city centers, in Toulouse for example where kilometers of barriers have been placed along the sidewalks. It is already progress.

[jessle]

It is not a tax against 4x4 but against all vehicles
(Utility car)


Yes ahmed completely agree with you

poor = public transport and rich = car

for info for Alsatians Freiboug am brisgau is one of the cities with the umwelt zone

For people who find it great there is also in their stock
legislative
snow tires are also strongly recommended or mandatory in Germany, we should do the same in France that would avoid the mess of the last few days.
(which means you don't have a snow tire, it is snowing you are blocking the road you have an accident = pv)

[Leo Maximus]

It is not a tax against 4x4 but against all vehicles ...

Yes, but the media present it as an "Anti 4 x 4" measure:

http://www.nicematin.com/article/dernie ... -candidate
http://www.rtl.fr/actualites/vie-pratiq ... 7645214783
http://www.lepays.fr/fr/region/faits-di ... illes.html
http://www.lelynx.fr/actualites-assuran ... 22010.aspx

On RMC yesterday, JJ Bourdin cast a vote "For or against 4 x 4 in the city? ”We have barely mentioned polluting emissions.

The device can only be based on Euro standards and the invasion of 4 x 4 being recent most 4 x 4 are Euro 4 or Euro 5 standards, my wife's is even Euro 6 standards. So those who hope the ban on 4 x 4 in the city may be disappointed because if the good old diesels will automatically be "red pellet" most HDI, TDI, DCi Diesel of good fathers who release> 200 mg of NOx per km will be "Orange badge" or also "Red badge" !

The 4 x 4 Lexus RX-400h and RX-450h will automatically be "Green badge" because they do not reject NOx or particles ! If we want to ban 4 x 4 in the city we will have to find something else. Not easy...

The device targets the Diesels, it is clear their end is programmed.

I will soon be able to cycle again in town!

[dedeleco]

So, you have to do cycloroutes instead of highways in built-up areas in addition to free public transport. !!
Indeed, I go up to 40Km / h by bike, without obstacles !!
See the Tour de France which goes faster than the average car in urban areas !!

[chatelot16]

you make me laugh with your idea to ban everything

the solution is not to ban, but to build! build good public transport that works including and especially on days when there is snow ... otherwise those who have 4x4 in town will be right

build well-guarded parking lots to allow those who come from the countryside to access public transport ... currently the city center is more and more difficult to access, and the best solution for shopping is to do everything in supermarkets that have good parking ... and traders in the city center can only complain

it would also be necessary to stop the racket on the ownership of the vehicles ... insurance card control technical control ... because whoever needs a 4x4 for certain need could keep his 4x4 for that and have a light car to do his shopping. .. alas no he cannot pay 2 insurance to use only one vehicle at a time ... so as the light car cannot be used as a 4x4, it is the 4x4 which is used as a light car

insurance should be forced to make prices per real km, so that we can keep several vehicles and use the adapted vehicle, instead of dragging the only thing good for everything and too big

for diesel particles there is more room on a 4x4 to add a good filter than on other vehicles! it would also be necessary that the material necessary to improve the old diesel be commercially available! pushing to buy new is ecologically absurd

you should also build good little simple and solid cars! most farmers now have 4x4s, because there are no more single cars that can go in the way where ordinary cars went 20 years ago

instead of banning 4x4s we should start by making good cars!

[Did67]

My wife drives a 4 x 4 (at E10), it consumes less than her previous car (an R21 from a "good mother of a family"), it emits 6 to 8 times less pollutants than the standard Diesel from M. Toulemonde. It already meets Euro 6 standards. So you have to explain to me why she has nothing to do in town with her 4 x 4 which is 20 cm shorter and barely heavier than her old car ....
:D

All is relative !

I think that even E10, this 4x4 pollutes even more than my C1 with LPG ... Infinitely more question of particles. Surely much more CO question. And a little more CO² question.

I mean by that, going from an antediluvian pan to a modern 4x4 at the top of HDI (and why not hybrid? There is one at Lexus) is certainly progress.

But with equivalent technology, a small city car is even smaller, pollutes even less and creates even less jealousy (I have never had a sticker on mine). This would have been an even greater progress ... And cheaper (8 and a few € transformed, the C000 GPL, with air conditioning option, conversion premium and scrapping premium deducted, "trade-in" offer for a ZX 1 D which polluted a lot).

After each choice is respectable. You just have to pay attention to the discourse we hold and the values ​​we intend to defend.

I live in Alsace (snow), on Piedmont (climb), in the forest (path not cleared or very late), I am the director of a structure of around thirty people (and no one made fun of me, even if I have one of the most riquiqui cars in the parking lot).

But I have nothing against your wife, whom I don't know.

[sen-no-sen]

... yet this measure could finance free public transport.

... and strengthen the segregation of the poor = public transport and the rich = car!
Rather than introducing restrictive measures that are difficult to apply, it would be better to institute free public transport ...

Hello Ahmed!

I do not share this opinion.
The "democratization" of the automobile is a real cancer, both literally and figuratively.

The idea of ​​a car = a person is a concept to be replaced urgently (the "American way of life ...).
Besides, and I will perhaps shock more than one, I think that "equality" (in consumption) is not to be sought.
That the "rich" get around by cars and that the poor use public transport is on the contrary a good thing ... because even the rich will pay to finance the travel of others.
The term rich is however exaggerating, it is rather talking about people who have chosen to pay the price, to move individually.
Such measures will encourage as many people as possible to reduce the use of their car or not to own it, in a logic of "voluntary simplicity".

To establish free public transport you need funding ... very heavy, hence the need to tax what can be, and the automobile is a goose that lays the golden eggs which must be taken advantage of before the next oil crashes.

[Did67]

(which means you don't have a snow tire, it is snowing you are blocking the road you have an accident = pv)

It is even much worse than PV: your insurance does not cover you and you are therefore civilly liable for the damage you do!

It's simple, clean and precise. No need for PV! You are just "responsible" ...