The packages in question

[Christophe]

+1

[Woodcutter]

[...] But that we accuse the French of consuming all these archi-packaged products for sole commercial purpose and that we are accused of producing all this waste from the food industry or other (packaging) ... c is still too strong !!!

YOU and you alone are responsible for the final choice ... Your portfolio controls the food industry, even if it tries to tell you what to do with the money in it.
So if you are forced (or strongly encouraged ...) at the other end of the chain (waste) to buy less products that create waste, you will pass the stress on to the manufacturer who offers this product, it's as simple as that ...

it started with plastic bags at checkouts ... supposedly to pollute less ... okay! But it was the supermarkets first that became the winner in history, [...]

A bit simplistic view ... I think you've never seen the "revolt" that the abandonment of checkout bags has sometimes caused in supermarkets ...

There was still a risk, and this policy is good for distributors' margins as well as for environmental problems. Nothing is all white or all black ...

[Christophe]

So if you are forced (or strongly encouraged ...) at the other end of the chain (waste) to buy less products that create waste, you will pass the stress on to the manufacturer who offers this product, it's as simple as that ...

+1 cf: https://www.econologie.info/

[Exceed]

Hello,

Bucheron wrote:

"So if you are forced (or strongly encouraged ...) by the other end of the chain (waste) to buy less products that create waste, you will pass the constraint on to the industrialist who offers you this product, it's that simple ... "

I agree with that, of course, it's obvious.

Nevertheless, as soon as I hear the word packaging, it makes me catch a cable ... everything is sold in batches ... if it continues, it will be on the palette !!!

I know that my vision of the thing is a little low and simplistic but when you see a report where people are happy to have no more bags at the checkouts and that their carts are stuffed with over-wrapped products ... I ask myself questions....

A + Serge.

[Woodcutter]

[..] I know that my vision of the thing is a little low and simplistic but when you see a report where people are happy not to have any more bags at the checkouts and that their carts are stuffed with over-wrapped products .. .I'm wondering....[...]

This brings me to two comments:
- is it not better that they have a full trash caddy WITHOUT cash bag rather than WITH cash bags?
- if the cart is stuffed with over-packaged product, it's good that it is the consumer who makes the final choice ... So it must be educated!

[melt_core]

- if the cart is stuffed with over-packaged product, it's good that it is the consumer who makes the final choice ... So it must be educated!

Extract from what I am writing;

"This is not a very effective solution, the common man generally gains very little in 'ecology' when compared to the sacrifices and investments required. It is a noble objective, but the methods employed do not work, because they do. appeal to the benevolence of men and not to a rational behavior on their part.Let us remember what Adam Smith said about benevolence; it is not out of benevolence, but by the search for their own self-interest that the butcher, baker and candle seller offer us their merchandise.

But why do men not spontaneously care about the waste that their activities produce? If they are not made aware of the ecological cause, modern men do not care at all about the waste from their consumption. The economic explanation is that “throwing away” has no cost other than the trash bag, and many people use the free bags in supermarkets.

Few environmentalists seem to have questioned the free production of waste, if not to speak of vague concepts of "social costs" seen previously and largely inspired by socialist doctrines in vogue. In the current system, the consumer is completely relieved of his responsibility when it comes to the production of garbage, he does not include in his cost and benefit arbitration the collection of garbage produced by the packaging when choosing products. "

A little further (and taken out of context);

"Quite simply because funding the garbage business through taxes is a painless and invisible way of benefiting the big polluters at the expense of those who make an effort for the planet."

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Hi...

Bucheron wrote:
- "if the cart is full of over-packaged products, it is good that it is the consumer who makes the final choice ... So he must be educated!"

Totally agree ... but for me it's not enough!
I think that it would also be necessary to make pay the industrialist on the quantity of future waste that it generates ... I dream !!!

A + Serge.

[Woodcutter]

I don't understand anymore ... It's a bit contradictory to what you said yesterday, isn't it?

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Hello,


Yeah ... maybe it is confusing ... but my opinion has not changed ... yesterday, I said that it makes me mad that consumers are accused of produce waste ... for me, they are only the vector ... the industrial patentedpackaging ... after transport and consumption, the packaging ends up in the trash. So the producer is the industrialist .... obviously we can say that the consumer has the choice not to buy ...
So, we educate the consumer .... according to you and we do nothing against the industrialists ???

A + Serge.

[Woodcutter]

[...] So, we educate the consumer .... according to you and we do nothing against the manufacturers ???

A + Serge.

Well if ... As said before.

Either you regulate and you will have all the apostles of free competition on your back, or you will tax and you will have all the consumers in Basque because it will be switched directly to them, or you educate and the industrialist follows if he wants to keep his market...