Le Potager du Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

[Did67]

Yes. It's not the same food!

Rhizodepositions are unstable substances, based on what is called mucilage (that's what makes fish slippery or what lubricates our nostrils and bronchi when we have a big cold!). It will be mostly bacteria that will be fed by this product. This leads to the mineralization [possibly, I wonder about the possibility that are formed of intermediate substances like amino acids, phenols and others, which are then converted back into vitamins, antioxidants, etc. in the plant - c 'is an assumption that seems obvious to me but for which I have not the shadow of a trace of evidence to date].

Hay feeds a much larger cohort of microorganisms. It contains fibers, which will also interest mushrooms. There is a part of mineralization, with restitution of the mineral elements, but also a part of synthesis of humic substances, with long-term effect ... It brings mineral elements, collected elsewhere.

The rhizodepositions provide only solar energy, in the form of organic substances resulting from photosynthesis. It is therefore more of a "fuel" of the system living around the roots.

Above all, we must not oppose these two paths, but see in them the remarkable complementarity and redundancy that there is in nature: when a mechanism is essential, living things have more than one string to their bow! [For example, the normal and most efficient way of breaking down carbohydrates for energy recovery is through breathing. But in the absence of oxygen, other organisms go through an anaerobic route: fermentations. It no longer forms CO² but alcohols, acids ... We all know lactic acid that is formed during too much effort and that the blood supply does not provide enough oxygen: it is the cause of muscle aches! It "stings" our muscles!]

[Did67]

Yes, I think I know, it's the footer of someone called Aygues31 on aujardin.org.

A pope of fertilization ... not uninteresting. To watch.

https://www.aujardin.org/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=180681

I do not know. I came across random research on the nutrient content of the coffee grounds! But indeed, it's him ...

[Did67]

A pope of fertilization ... not uninteresting. To watch.

https://www.aujardin.org/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=180681

I just looked quickly. Indeed, in the conventional approach (chemical or "organic"), it is very well done.

[I say "conventional" in the sense that it is a very classic reasoning by "balance sheet". Nothing is envisaged in terms of mobilizing the P reserves of a soil when it is alive. The "stock" of a soil is usually very high, but phosphorus is insoluble. Nothing on the mineralization of humic substances - easily, in soil rich in organic matter - a hundred kg / ha ... Etc ... I therefore do not "validate". But it is very well done! A proper basis for reflection ... I have not checked his data on compost, etc ... Of course, there is no question of hay ... So "pope", I would not say. A good country priest, come on, why not!]

[sicetaitsimple]

A pope of fertilization ... not uninteresting. To watch.

https://www.aujardin.org/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=180681

I just looked quickly. Indeed, in the conventional approach (chemical or "organic"), it is very well done.

We agree, I did not say that I did like that! But having some benchmarks on the needs of plants is not bad.

Edit: and I generally have more sympathy for the "country priest" than for the Catholic hierarchy!

[Julienmos]

Yes. It's not the same food! etc ...

thank you for having, by pure Christian charity still answered (and a very smart answer as always) to a question that I later deleted because it did not satisfy me at all!

[Did67]

Edit: and I generally have more sympathy for the "country priest" than for the Catholic hierarchy!

Ah OK ! I did not understand that the pope was the talker at the top!

[Did67]

Didier de la Porte: more ...

I watched a little over half an hour later ...

And all this is very interesting, if we put aside the question - already debated - of the "lunar and planetary" calendar [as in all churches, there are chapels and schisms!].

We meet broadly, with perhaps "millimeter" different assessments on:

- the interest of hay (vs straw)
- the greatly increased risk of freezing
- the delay at the beginning of the cycle
- the risk with the contributions of turf
- that plant food via the rhizosphere leads to healthier plants [with, for my part, the conviction of release of intermediate substances, re-used by the pantes as vitamins, antioxidants, reinforcers, or even chemical signals]
- the explanation of the mounds outdoors (excess humidity) and indoors compared to a shallow earth (which does not convince me to 100% seen what I saw in the hole made and filmed at the beginning)
- I have some reservations about the "biodynamic" approach like what when it is at height, it "intensifies life" [there are much more down-to-earth explanations for the fact that a compost in heaps evolves faster than if it is buried: ventilation, temperature ...]
- the fact that a bare land is not invaded immediately by weeds (which I have also observed)
- leaving everything on the spot and replanting in it (including tomatoes, etc ...); it is also what I do [but it still happens to me, by laziness, and contrary to my own convictions, to tear off certain plants-when I should cut them with pruning shears, I admit it; I will try to correct myself!]
- winter sprinkler sprinkler [by the greatest chance, I was planning to do this Monday in the empty part of the greenhouse, to soak the hay - and then it was disgusting!]

In short, very very broad convergences. If we put aside the applications of biodynamics (calendar, preparations ...).

The practice of removing the hay and repacking only very late (in May) deserves reflection. In his case, with the objective of producing early (highly valued): no discussion. Maybe I will try some m², to produce my first fruits ... [In addition to my black biodegradable tarpaulin]

[sicetaitsimple]

Didier de la Porte: more ...

I watched a little over half an hour later ...

And all this is very interesting, if we put aside the question - already debated - of the "lunar and planetary" calendar [as in all churches, there are chapels and schisms!].

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In short, very very broad convergences. If we put aside the applications of biodynamics (calendar, preparations ...).

The practice of removing the hay and repacking only very late (in May) deserves reflection. In his case, with the objective of producing early (highly valued): no discussion. Maybe I will try some m², to produce my first fruits ... [In addition to my black biodegradable tarpaulin]

Ah, whew! It's still more fun to share an opinion on a video after it has been watched than to be bombarded before by the first line (and especially the second ...) on the pretext that unfortunately it was mentioned to have been intrigued by something about radishes .....

[Did67]

But you've looked a little, since basically, that's all you reported in your presentation of the video!

[My "wandering" and discussions not to end until late at night with people of all stripes, and all faiths, led me to think that the fault lines are not about being "for" or "against" "this or that ... I can find myself more convergences with an intelligent biodynamist than with a" scientist agronomist "- but stupid! -, although not believing for a second in stories of spirits, of cosmic waves or to the superiority of Steiner's vision. I shared nights under the clear Chadian sky remaking the world with a Jesuit father, whose humanist vision, the understanding of the local populations with whom we worked, etc ... while being an atheist, even agnostic. And thus being violently opposed to his active proselytizing although well made up. And that led me to agree with him much more than with atheist people but full of themselves ... or experts of all kinds * a priori closer to me]

[* One day, deep in the bush in Chad, I laughed like a twist with an expert from the World Bank, that by the light of an oil lamp, I convinced him of the interest of him. "posterior planning"; so much so that he left me his business card, with the recommendation to come and see him in Washington, at headquarters, at the end of my mission!]

[Did67]

Ah, whew! ...

I resume this "Ah, phew! ... which sounds like a relief. To say that we could also have a marked divergence without it being a drama.

It must be said that a living floor is such a complex system that there are undoubtedly several "reasonable" ways to "control" it ... Like these mega-mixers of recording studios, where I always wonder how we can "fix that"!

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