Le Potager du Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 12/12/17, 22:23

Moindreffor wrote:you mean between a semi inside and a semi outside under chassis


No between an indoor seedling and an outdoor seedling outside the frost period
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio




by Moindreffor » 12/12/17, 23:38

nico239 wrote:
Moindreffor wrote:you mean between a semi inside and a semi outside under chassis


No between an indoor seedling and an outdoor seedling outside the frost period

my father-in-law never buys zucchini feet, cucumbers and pickles and always sows in the ground, he says it catches up, yes indeed, he has a good harvest, a little later but good on this kind of vegetables
for others like the tomato, the precocity is one of the factors of fight against the mildew so there I tightened more on the internal plane because you will win maybe not 2 months, but when you transplant to the period where you can sow , yes you gain time

sometimes there are spontaneous tomato leavens, you really see the gap between the transplanted plane and the plane that rises alone, I think Didier shows the difference in development between 2, in his video on mildew
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio




by Did67 » 13/12/17, 10:43

Moindreffor wrote:
you mean between a semi inside and a semi outside chassis, I do not think the question should arise in these terms
last year everything was fine and Didier shows us a big frost and almost all his outdoor seedlings have made the jump of the angel, which does not happen to you with a semi indoor



1) What is certain is that sowing indoors 1 month in advance will not result, in the end, by 1 month in advance in terms of production ... It goes more slowly indoors, the " exit "is a shock ... Etc.

I did not notice, but I had spontaneous levees (some shot in the video on late blight) very late, which almost caught up with the first crop issue.

2) I lost everything last year also by negligence.

This year, I put my buckets in plastic crates. And I follow the weather. If a "April 21" blow is coming again, to save the day, one or two nights, I move into the house. In crates, it is quickly done. It's a bit of work, but it's very exceptional. Probably this will not happen again for the next 10 years!

If I had been attentive to the weather, that's what I would have done. Maybe even unrolling my insulation on the glass would be enough!

We must not reason by "exceptions". Otherwise, we are at an impasse!
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio




by Eupeo77 » 13/12/17, 10:49

Did67 wrote:
1) What is certain is that sowing indoors 1 month in advance will not result, in the end, by 1 month in advance in terms of production ... It goes more slowly indoors, the " exit "is a shock ... Etc.

I did not notice, but I had spontaneous levees (some shot in the video on late blight) very late, which almost caught up with the first crop issue.


In the course of the thread (impossible to say when but I took note) you had already made this reflection on the interior seedlings which did not really save time and some said that they planted in interiors to avoid losses due to slugs etc. rather than for the time saved. (I'm talking about indoor greenhouse etc ..)
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio




by Did67 » 13/12/17, 11:08

Julienmos wrote:concerning the garden frames, I saw a model with an automatic opening system (solar energy) ... see for example http://www.juwel.com/fr/serres-chassis/ ... star-1500/


It is a little misleading, this "solar energy". It is indeed about oil cylinders (it is not said). The sun heats the liquid, which relaxes. Through the 'arm' system, movement is amplified. What they say is not wrong: it is the energy of the sun that heats up!

According to a notice that I found, it raises up to 7 kg. And this is adjustable from 15 and 23 ° C.

This is what I will try. I am going to think about how to adapt it on large heavy glass frames: weigh what this represents as a force; think about how to set up the "flat" cylinder; consider shortening the arm so as to increase the lifting force, or working with a part in an "inclined plane" and rollers on the frame of the glass ??? ... I have to invent!

Attention: very variable prices (we are close to the "bobology", so they go there!):

http://www.france-serres.com/accessoire ... ardin.html

https://www.cdiscount.com/jardin/entret ... #mpos=1|mp
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by Did67 » 13/12/17, 12:16

The cheapest deals I found:

https://www.cdiscount.com/maison/jardin ... #mpos=1|mp


https://www.cdiscount.com/jardin/entret ... #mpos=5|mp

I don't know what it's worth! It must be the same "chinoiserie", I imagine ...

Pistons are sold alone. Attention, the "deflection" seems very limited, therefore without "amplification", it will just create a "millimeter" displacement it seems to me ?????

https://www.cdiscount.com/bricolage/men ... #mpos=8|mp
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio




by Moindreffor » 13/12/17, 12:23

Did67 wrote:1) What is certain is that sowing indoors 1 month in advance will not result, in the end, by 1 month in advance in terms of production ... It goes more slowly indoors, the " exit "is a shock ... Etc.

I agree, so prepare the exit is necessary
Did67 wrote:I did not notice, but I had spontaneous levees (some shot in the video on late blight) very late, which almost caught up with the first crop issue.

then I will take the remark below, it will depend on the year, a rotten spring until almost mid June and the inner semi will be a winner, so for me the semi inside is a kind of guaranteed, after the spontaneous emergence it will also depend on the region, the weather, so what will be true for you may not be for everyone
Did67 wrote:2) I lost everything last year also by negligence.
This year, I put my buckets in plastic crates. And I follow the weather. If a "April 21" blow is coming again, to save the day, one or two nights, I move into the house. In crates, it is quickly done. It's a bit of work, but it's very exceptional. Probably this will not happen again for the next 10 years!
If I had been attentive to the weather, that's what I would have done. Maybe even unrolling my insulation on the glass would be enough!
We must not reason by "exceptions". Otherwise, we are at an impasse!

that's what I say inside we have a kind of guarantee, exceptional does not mean that it can not happen 2 years in a row, and if that day combine particular circumstances, ben rebelote

I will try the outer frames, but I will also keep inner cups, do not put all your eggs in one basket
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Re: The Kitchen Garden Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio




by Moindreffor » 13/12/17, 12:28

Did67 wrote:The cheapest deals I found:

https://www.cdiscount.com/maison/jardin ... #mpos=1|mp


https://www.cdiscount.com/jardin/entret ... #mpos=5|mp

I don't know what it's worth! It must be the same "chinoiserie", I imagine ...

Pistons are sold alone. Attention, the "deflection" seems very limited, therefore without "amplification", it will just create a "millimeter" displacement it seems to me ?????

https://www.cdiscount.com/bricolage/men ... #mpos=8|mp



I think that with a polycarbonate plate, it must do it, it's very light, after actually with your window of recovery, there must be weight, I can not carry heavy it will be polycarbo, so investment but many less to break the head to fit
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by Did67 » 13/12/17, 12:34

Yes. At worst, if it turns out to be too complicated with my wooden frames / glass panes, this is what I will do: a "polycarbonate window" [aluminum frame, polycarbonate sheet]. We can consider mixed: a non-automated glass window in the middle and two light half-windows at each end, with automatic jacks ...
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by phil53 » 13/12/17, 14:34

Rather than oil, would not it be gas in the cylinders?
Like thermostatic radiator valves
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