Le Potager du Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

[paysan.bio]

for the purchase of hay, even of good quality:
GO GOOD HEART.

I think I have enough experience as a farmer to be credible.

know that the peasant works in general to feed his family.
when you buy him GRASS, he earns a bit of money.
and the grass repels ...

you buy his work.

many peasants do not earn a good living, so if you can help them a little ...

for round bales:
Didier never said that we should not use small boots in the garden inaccessible to tractors.

for the seeds:
if you follow the advice on the thickness of hay to spread, there is no problem.
If you do it right, without following the advice, do not put others in question.

for horses:
(I have some, so I know what I'm talking about)
the owners tend to humanize them.
the human needs meals.
hay is the meal humans give horses, some push the vice to replace it with pellets.
the horse does not need a meal, he needs to graze for long hours.
if I put my horses in a park with tall grass, they will not go to the haystack if I deposit one.

YES, it's harder to park than to buy hay.

then making gardeners feel guilty about horse consumption is a mistake.

[Did67]

I hope this rather nasty and not at all constructive criticism did not hurt you.

I quickly come back to this point to note that any "somewhat particular" approach raises objections - founded or not.

I thought yesterday that carriers of "revolutionary" ideas such as Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King aroused radical objections, rejections, to the point of having lost their lives!

[Did67]

for horses:
(I have some, so I know what I'm talking about)
the owners tend to humanize them.
the human needs meals.
hay is the meal humans give horses, some push the vice to replace it with pellets.
the horse does not need a meal, he needs to graze for long hours.
if I put my horses in a park with tall grass, they will not go to the haystack if I deposit one.

YES, it's harder to park than to buy hay.

then making gardeners feel guilty about horse consumption is a mistake.

I do not think you're talking about me. Because I do not feel guilty - finally I try.

I'm just saying: as long as collectively, a certain number of French people "decide" to devote as much biomass - grass or hay in this case - to feed pure leisure horses, I, for my part, would have no qualms about use it in my vegetable garden - which contributes significantly to my food!

In short, the story of the match and the beam in the eye!

[paysan.bio]

I hope this rather nasty and not at all constructive criticism did not hurt you.

I quickly come back to this point to note that any "somewhat particular" approach raises objections - founded or not.

I thought yesterday that carriers of "revolutionary" ideas such as Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King aroused radical objections, rejections, to the point of having lost their lives!

I think you now understand the reactions that the use of hay could bring about almost 30 years ago to my peasant neighbors.
hi, hi, hi

[paysan.bio]

for horses:
(I have some, so I know what I'm talking about)
the owners tend to humanize them.
the human needs meals.
hay is the meal humans give horses, some push the vice to replace it with pellets.
the horse does not need a meal, he needs to graze for long hours.
if I put my horses in a park with tall grass, they will not go to the haystack if I deposit one.

YES, it's harder to park than to buy hay.

then making gardeners feel guilty about horse consumption is a mistake.

I do not think you're talking about me. Because I do not feel guilty - finally I try.

I'm just saying: as long as collectively, a certain number of French people "decide" to devote as much biomass - grass or hay in this case - to feed pure leisure horses, I, for my part, would have no qualms about use it in my vegetable garden - which contributes significantly to my food!

In short, the story of the match and the beam in the eye!

No, I was talking about the guy who tries to make us feel guilty by accusing us of stealing hay under the horses' mouths.

having said that, he is right in saying that when you use hay for gardening, you have to ask the question of the biomass that can be used nearby.
if it is free but not contaminated, it is a good solution to try.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

On the claimed mediocrity, we will philosophize another day!

Regarding indoor planting, you can do what you want, plants will lack light: placed along my windows, crates receive only 50% of the luminous intensity = it is half outer sphere; the half-sphere which is turned towards the interior will have only a very weak light ...

At 1 m of a window or 2 m of a bay window, remains only 25%!

Our eyes permanently trap us because they adapt very quickly. With your camera, in manual mode, "measure" the speed / diaphragm couple on the inside and then on the outside and conclude (knowing that a double speed is half the light or one more diaphragm, c is also half the light).

So, on certain vegetables that are less demanding, or more "low to the ground" (salads), it will be less visible.

On others, it will be very much (tomatoes).

You can turn every 24 hours to prevent them from being "bent", it will remain that they will be etiolated ("spaghetti") - too elongated.

We can obviously use artificial lighting. Be careful, plants are sensitive to certain colors. We must prefer the purples and red, anything that deviates from the green! And then, we need high powers, much more than our "poor lighting", which is sufficient because our eyes accommodate (the proof: we use flashes to photograph indoors. But this is perfectly fine (especially for the production of "herbs" that some people smoke ...) With LEDs, it's a little less of a "chasm".

I'm interested....

So from this it follows concretely WHAT ???

No indoor seedlings?
Or in "open" type veranda interiors.
Or to go out the seedling?
Or only in the greenhouse?

We got them going out last year.
Personally I do not want more.
Left to delay sowing
Now this raises the question of delaying until when ???

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

for the purchase of hay, even of good quality:
GO GOOD HEART.

I think I have enough experience as a farmer to be credible.

know that the peasant works in general to feed his family.
when you buy him GRASS, he earns a bit of money.
and the grass repels ...

you buy his work.

many peasants do not earn a good living, so if you can help them a little ...

for round bales:
Didier never said that we should not use small boots in the garden inaccessible to tractors.

for the seeds:
if you follow the advice on the thickness of hay to spread, there is no problem.
If you do it right, without following the advice, do not put others in question.

for horses:
(I have some, so I know what I'm talking about)
the owners tend to humanize them.
the human needs meals.
hay is the meal humans give horses, some push the vice to replace it with pellets.
the horse does not need a meal, he needs to graze for long hours.
if I put my horses in a park with tall grass, they will not go to the haystack if I deposit one.

YES, it's harder to park than to buy hay.

then making gardeners feel guilty about horse consumption is a mistake.

Well, at least that's said

[Lolounette]

to return to artificial lighting, I tried a lot of everything that exists to grow my orchids below before having my greenhouse ...
the only things that really work take a lot of space on the ground and / or are very energy-intensive: I own the material (400W big lamps and everything) but I do not use it for these reasons ...


Lately, I have not resisted trying out the small LED grow units sold by the well-known Swedish furniture seller (I have a lot of trouble not to fall for hi tech bullshit sometimes! ): of course it works pretty well if you leave a long time but at 40 € the LED 30cm rglette must be Rothschild to get 50 tomato plants!

So the question is: is it so serious to have plants a little etiolated?
frankly I think no!
for the vegetables of warm culture that must be started indoors it is necessary to try not to sow too early and to take out them outside in the day as the daytime temperatures allow it. If it's really too cold mine are stuck to their window facing south and basta! Yes they are etiolated but I compensate for the planting (for tomatoes I plant stalk lying until 1eres true leaves) and it is not seen quickly any more!
and for all the rest less chilly (salads, cabbages, etc.) the seedlings fend out as soon as there are real leaves: at worst I return them at night if frost is expected and that's all

[Den54]

Here, I have just attacked the 500th page of this thread, which still lives! Crémant for everyone !!!!!

Prosit

[Did67]

To postpone the tour, wait for the 1 000 - it's no longer so far. And at the speed we're going, one and the other!

[But I understood that you water your "arrival" on page 500]