Le Potager du Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

[calousorb]

I see that nobody notices my message about the work of my cabbages by pigeons! Will I be a case or have you seen this at home?

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

1) Fortunately, there are horticulturists who recover the water ...

Without ads, for example: https://richel.fr/produits/recuperation-eaux-pluviales/

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2) But even because of what I wrote, the amount of water that falls on a greenhouse is small compared to the needs of the greenhouse, at least over a good part of the summer (and late spring and early fall). So we need another source and more! Some installations are made with boreholes ...

Yes, but I do not think we play in the same category.

A very large number of market gardeners do not have these facilities.

But tunnels similar to ours.

Where does this idea of ​​finding the thing

If you consider the total area of ​​the tunnel it is not innocuous on, for example, 10m x 40m.

When I see everything that falls right now and every day ....

In short we will see one day perhaps.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Yes. It was just to say that you can not be self-sufficient and eat a balanced diet on the 400 m² theoretical that I calculated (taking compote only for calories, and taking as a benchmark one of the most "productive" plants).

The calorie yield of my strawberries and raspberries, it must be a few kcal per m² and per year! Negligible in my calculation.

But we agree, indispensable, for the reasons given ...

Attention on the move it was just vegetable self-sufficiency.
This does not change the illusion of the example but the confines nevertheless to vegetables.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

The calorie yield of my strawberries and raspberries, it must be a few kcal per m² and per year! Negligible in my calculation.

After all the interest of migrating sins is to know what to do to satisfy them ....

Example: how many feet of raspberry to remove a bowl at maturity every 2 days in season (as usual: in your garden, which will not necessarily be the case in another)

We can multiply the examples with the tastes and the desires of each one.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

if not for self-sufficiency, I agree with Didier except that we can do the "welding" as my father said with a lot of things, in the middle of the century my grandfather succeeded, but his vegetable garden was 1 m²So self-sufficient yes, but not with a vegetable patch and canning and adding to that an orchard of 600 m² for canned fruit and jam
in my memory, he passed itinerant merchants to sell apricots, the only fruit that my grandmother bought to make jams, she would also harvest wild blackberries, mushrooms from pastures, the grass of the orchard gave hay for rabbits and the kitchen waste partly fed the chickens, they bought some wheat on the farm opposite

Yes, there, the orders of magnitude overlap!

[You did not have orange or tangerines at Christmas ??? It was a home shopping ... And when I was a teenager, bananas also came]

[Do not forget the share in the ration of nuts, nuts, etc ...]

In these remarks I have seen for a long time that lots of fruit trees and walnut trees are full of nuts just waiting to be picked up at the roadside.

Same for wild hazel forests

Not to mention plum or wild mirabelle plum.

Plus all the herbs we do not know or do not bother to pick up.
We did not make a single dandelion salad this year: shame on us, even if we were caught by other things but shame on us considering the industrial amount of dandelions that populate the garden.

Certainly

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

rather than self-sufficiency I'm looking to be able to do without some shopping in the shops
Here I test the red beet (I already did before) raw and cooked and I will test the silo, I think to try the winter carrot if I buy the seed, and especially I want to be able to do like my grandfather's salad all year round,
pickles it's pretty easy but not for this year, I turn to jams, small goals with a small garden, I prepare for retirement and anticipates the loss of income, it is not to neglect nowadays

our elders were doing better than us, it's time to find their common sense, they had less comfort, but were certainly happier, because they knew they had capital in the kitchen garden

We are in this line too.

As mentioned a few times the salad is also the first goal: the easiest probably.

The second is garlic
The 3ème the potatoes
The radishes, the carrots, the beans, the chard, the raspberries constitute the tests in progress
To be continued...

Uh there's no confusion: we eat a lot of other stuff

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Well I have a container of 1000l that fills thanks to the gutters of the house and when it is full (it goes fast in autumn / winter) I put a pump at the bottom outlet and a sprinkler oscillating and asparagus the whole greenhouse. I do this of course outside freezing periods. I have 4 other containers on the roof of my shed but it is rather for the season and my new watering programmable drip in the greenhouse.

It's good but the challenge is to recover the water that falls on the entire surface of the tunnel

On Pinterest must be a little clever who found something

[calousorb]

Well I have a container of 1000l that fills thanks to the gutters of the house and when it is full (it goes fast in autumn / winter) I put a pump at the bottom outlet and a sprinkler oscillating and asparagus the whole greenhouse. I do this of course outside freezing periods. I have 4 other containers on the roof of my shed but it is rather for the season and my new watering programmable drip in the greenhouse.

It's good but the challenge is to recover the water that falls on the entire surface of the tunnel

On Pinterest must be a little clever who found something

For me the challenge is to water my greenhouse without torturing my mind. I have many other challenges in my life to not add unnecessary! But everyone's way of seeing things !! Speaking of challenge growing under hay is already one, for the gardener semi-conventional that I was !!

[Moindreffor]

I see that nobody notices my message about the work of my cabbages by pigeons! Will I be a case or have you seen this at home?

it's actually true, confirmed by my pigeon experience

[Did67]

It's going too fast for me - no time to answer everything:

a) never seen doves or pigeons, nor birds ravaging my plants

b) observed one day, in front of my eyes, a cricket coming out from under a seedbed, and beheading in front of me a cabbage at stage 2 cotyledonary leaves. Who did not do anything to him, I say!

If you observe cabbage or tomato stems, at the very young stage, decapitated at "mid-height", it is not necessarily the slugs, which "plan" e, generally down to the ground!

c) outside of professional systems, the trick, to recover water, of course, is the roof of the house. It is a recuperator ready. It remains to connect tanks ...

Otherwise, the system of tarpaulins stretched by chutes and lyres, like mine, makes it easy to put a gutter flush with the ground ... Ideally, it is a sloping ground and a cascade of greenhouses, each pouring into the next.

Note that on narrow greenhouses (kind 2 meters), it does not play: water seeps sideways and it is useless to get tired. On mine (6 m span), the edges are too wet and the center not enough!