The vegetable garden of the lazy Breton

[sicetaitsimple]

Didier often says that he is "a very bad market gardener" or something like that! Let him have that opinion!
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I just describe myself as "mediocre"!

It was to see if you followed! But I had taken the precaution of adding "or something like that"!

[Carl]

At the limit I can always put hay on the 500m2 from November, start cleaning annual weeds, having reserves and which would pass through ... This to get ahead, if ever an extension of 250m2 tells me more later ....

I just describe myself as "mediocre"!

It is the mark of a humble people, good quality
At the same time I remember your reflection on your clothing habits for your videos and I understand right away

But hey, first think about your goals! From my point of view, this is really the most important.

How to precisely define its objectives?
For me, the "must have" would be to make my family (2 adults, 2 children: 10 and 6 years old) independent in the consumption of vegetables, but not fruits (initially).
Afterwards, I am well aware that you should not have your eyes bigger than your stomach to avoid rapid discouragement ...

At the same time, I have absolutely no idea of ​​the area it would take to meet this goal?
If you can direct me on this point, I am taker !!!

Bonus question: non building land = no running water and no electricity ... sicetaitsisimple, I understand that it was your niche?
Advice or sources to set up a rainwater recovery system from nothing, and with a slight drop (see photos)?

Thanks in advance for your feedback

[sicetaitsimple]

But hey, first think about your goals! From my point of view, this is really the most important.

How to precisely define its objectives?
For me, the "must have" would be to make my family (2 adults, 2 children: 10 and 6 years old) independent in the consumption of vegetables, but not fruits (initially).
Afterwards, I am well aware that you should not have your eyes bigger than your stomach to avoid rapid discouragement ...

At the same time, I have absolutely no idea of ​​the area it would take to meet this goal?
If you can direct me on this point, I am taker !!!

Bonus question: non building land = no running water and no electricity ... sicetaitsisimple, I understand that it was your niche?
Advice or sources to set up a rainwater recovery system from nothing, and with a slight drop (see photos)?

Lots of questions, a few shady answers, and that only represents my point of view, it is necessarily open to criticism and I completely accept the criticism.

On the objectives, as you started like me 3 years ago, there are really two types of options, plus all the intermediate mix (sicetaitsimple ....).

You can do on your 250m2 200m2 of potatoes and 50 m2 of other things or on the contrary you start in the production of 30 or 40 kinds of vegetables. In one case you will certainly harvest, in the other you will learn! There the dosage really depends on your goals. Come on, if it was me and with a little hindsight, I would rather say 50m2 of potatoes and 200m2 of others, the important thing is above all to learn at first.

250m2 for 4 mouths, in my opinion it's a bit tight, but hey, the important thing at the beginning is to master, 250m2 that you manage well it is better than 500m2 that escape you. I said it a little higher or on a parallel wire, today I have 75 m2 and it is really too tight (for two), but next year when I will have the surface I do not think what to do 100m2 more to be sure to manage.

On the "no watering", no it is absolutely not my niche. I have rainwater recovery (limited, 600l but that already helps a lot) and city water when necessary. Not having anything like you is indeed an important input on the choice of crops.

[Carl]

Come on, if it was me and with a little hindsight, I would rather say 50m2 of potatoes and 200m2 of others, the important thing is above all to learn at first.

Here I join you, I want to experiment to have fun, frankly.

250m2 for 4 mouths, in my opinion it's a bit tight, but hey, the important thing at the beginning is to master, 250m2 that you manage well it is better than 500m2 that escape you.

Yes, I think I am going in that direction. The most important thing is not to drip / discourage from the start, I think.

On the "no watering", no it is absolutely not my niche. I have rainwater recovery (limited, 600l but that already helps a lot) and city water when necessary. Not having anything like you is indeed an important input on the choice of crops.

In time for me, I must have been confused.
I am looking to tinker with a means of recovering rainwater, on flat ground (with no roof nearby) to supply a 1000l tank. After I'm in Brittany, huh!
Even if by us, we say that it only rains on the cons , I am forced to say that it rains at least regularly (that does not mean that we have a lot of idiots at home, either! =)

[sicetaitsimple]

Ah, a clarification also given that we are talking about surfaces, you must first think of perennial crops (artichokes, strawberries, raspberries, rhubarb, asparagus ... etc.). But those, if you want, you can put them outside the "250m2" that you think you will cultivate a little intensively.

[Moindreffor]

Hello
I'm going to play pessimists, for me 250m² when we start it's already a lot
after that you want to be independent, very well it is doable, but you have to choose the vegetables
onions, shallots, it's easy, it will pass
squash, pumpkin, pumpkin, classic
potatoes
for fun there are all salads
then you can go on red beet, turnips, cabbage, leek

all that you can be self-sufficient easily, after that you can experience other things, but it is better to go on classics, for motivation

[sicetaitsimple]

I'm going to play pessimists, for me 250m² when we start it's already a lot

I agree, but our friend seems to want to aim for 250m2.

Also agree to avoid at first things not really suited to Brittany, except in homeopathic doses, just to try.
To your list I would add beans, beans, peas, radishes and also and above all carrots (good luck, I made a break this year, but I promised to try again next year!).

And zucchini, it takes up space but if it gives it nourishes you!

[Did67]

Well with all that, a row from one, two rows from the other, if he is not 250 m away, I want to be hanged.

How do you say that I arrived at my 4 or 5OO m² ??? "Why don't you do ....?" "And why don't you do ..." So you add a square here, a plank there ... "And where do I put the pumpkins?" ... And here is 20 m² stuck in the grass ...

[olivier75]

We must also rely on investment, in seeds in plants to not be too disappointed, simple varieties in the majority and recup of neighbors. But living not far away, with a restful seaside and hay, except pests, you do not take big risks.
My favorite seed merchant makes a lot of 52 packages for beginner to 45 euros, with basic varieties easy, I tested it, it is very useful the first year after you add to it what you want, knowing that many hard packets 2 / 3 years, especially if you make your plants in pots above ground.
With your climate, you are expected to do 2 crops, see 3 for some vegetables.
olive

[sicetaitsimple]

Well with all that, a row from one, two rows from the other, if he is not 250 m away, I want to be hanged.

No big deal, Carl told us he wanted to close 500m2 because there are rabbits. It is indeed important!

The suite, 250m2, a little more, a little less, much more, much less, he will see!

What also seems important to me is that it will not have watering ... It can still question our proposals a little, including mine.