The garden of a lazy we occasionally.

[olivier75]

An unverifiable observation ....

When we took over the orchard, it was mown once a year, the grass left on the ground. The first year very good harvest, mirabelle apples, plums, cherries, etc.
It was around 2008.
Since then, the harvests have been clearly less good, and almost nonexistent for the fruit and stones that need water in the summer.
What is difficult to see is that before we could clearly see the fruit on the tree, like the cherries, but we rarely saw it at harvest time.
I have the impression that it has diminished at the same rate as the effectiveness of the maintenance ....
Olivier

[olivier75]

Lolonette,

For excess nitrogen, I do not believe in living soil, under chemical perfusion I agree with you. The hay remains balanced, the roots of a young transplanted tree will not go up enough in the interface for it to be harmful.
In my opinion of course.

For pruning, green or not, it is a few minutes Max, 15 for an old tree that has not been pruned for some time. It must be said that I do not hesitate, and I (as I said) learned to understand pruning with Bonsai trees, my glance is particularly fast.

For those who do not know how to prune, (according to the goals, the species etc, there are lots of ways and moments) I just advise to imagine letting a bird flutter inside. step back, turn around the shaft and correct. Do not remove too much at once, even if it means resuming spread over several years.
A tree is first and foremost its roots, which are proportional and which it is difficult to prune ... prune early in late summer to prevent it
To create others, in March to multiply them.
Olivier.

[Lolounette]

Lolonette,

For excess nitrogen, I do not believe in living soil, under chemical perfusion I agree with you. The hay remains balanced, the roots of a young transplanted tree will not go up enough in the interface for it to be harmful.
In my opinion of course.

I'm not sure because bacteria are mainly dependent on the temperature of the soil to work, so they stop working later than plants and can leave earlier in spring (see in winter in mild periods), it leaves the possibility of a fairly significant release of mineral nitrogen when the trees are stripped and this is where we can have a not very good runaway on young trees (especially if there is no longer any living cover in the foot)...

[sicetaitsimple]

Thank you all (and all ...) for your answers, I did not expect so much!

Well, I have to digest all of this!

I have already retained:

- that it is not necessary to buy a bag of ammonitrate (kidding) ....
- that it is desirable to suppress competition from weeds by one means or another
- that a biomass blanket should do no harm, or even a lot of good (paysan.bio). Indeed Olivier had noted that I have no BRF, we will see, I have at least hay and leaves.
- that, but here I have a little time, pruning is an art which for the moment I do not know anything ... What bothers me is that on Youtube we find a lot of stuff on this subject but to discern the serious stuff of the co ... it does not seem obvious to me.

Well, I'm going to abuse: a little ash where other things (no amnonitrate ...) mixed with the soil from the planting hole? Pralinage?

[paysan.bio]

Why? they had had explosive growth?

you practice pruning in green on several hectares of fruit trees ??
and do you still have time to sleep?

the size in green, when you know how to do it, it's very fast.
no need to imagine the foliage and future load of the tree as with winter pruning.

[Did67]

I don't have a BRF, we'll see, I have at least hay and leaves.

Logically, it should not be bad at all: a tree-soil system that cannot get away with dead leaves, it should not be common ... It is a bit the "base" what ...

And a little hay, to enrich, given the fact that we would like it to produce a little more fruit than a common beech ... ???

We must be close to something natural, slightly boosted ...

[sicetaitsimple]

...

And a little hay, to enrich, given the fact that we would like it to produce a little more fruit than a common beech ... ???

Ah yes, you do well to specify, I had not done it in the "specifications".

Beyond making myself happy by creating something that should (statistically!) Outlive me and that I will see evolve by taking care of it more or less well, if it could give some fruit it would be a plus!

[Did67]

... if it could give some fruit it would be a plus!

You're young, so that's for sure!

[olivier75]

Sicetaitsimple,
My grandfather planted his last orchard at 80, he died at 98, my grandmother is still enjoying it ....
Olivier.

[sicetaitsimple]

Sicetaitsimple,
My grandfather planted his last orchard at 80, he died at 98, my grandmother is still enjoying it ....
Olivier.

Thank you for your good wishes for longevity!

I come back to one of your posts above, because I'm not sure I understood.

I understood that the orchard before you took over the maintenance was mowed only once a year and gave good harvests, and that since you took over the management it would give less? But you do not tell us what you have changed in terms of maintenance, or more generally what would have changed since?