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Re: The death of bees puts the planet in danger




by izentrop » 03/07/18, 20:22

Janic, The Dunning-Kruger Effect looks good on you too.

If we came back to the bees : Mrgreen:
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by Janic » 03/07/18, 21:50

Janic, The Dunning-Kruger Effect looks good on you too.
The question has already been seen on skills or self-confidence. If you took the plane with a pilot lacking in self-confidence or if you passed on the operating table with a doctor lacking in self-confidence too, the result in these cases would be disastrous ... for you.
So you trust certain sources, certain individuals and that's good for you, but you can not help, to reassure yourself, to denigrate everything that does not fit into your evaluation criteria, by propagating false information, even defamation, which does not raise the low level of your speech; what you’ve already heard from other than me. : Evil:
And so back to the bees.
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by to be chafoin » 03/07/18, 23:15

izentrop wrote:
to be chafoin wrote:Have you read their book?
No, it must be like that http://www.passerelleco.info/article.php?id_article=113interesting, there is some truth, but very oriented and it's his way to bring everything back to him and to bring accusation to science that does not make me want to read it
"Science can kill us because morality does not follow. We have biblical morality and XNUMXst century technology. Scientists have become the new priests. In the XNUMXth century they were monks !! Common people are cut off from the scientific, technical and industrial culture manipulated by remote specialists. "
We feel the anthroposophic thought that classifies it in the altermondialist movement, not in scientists. https://aucreuxdemoname.fr/blog/la-pens ... osophique/
https://aucreuxdemoname.fr/blog/6-anthr ... iodynamie/
This is what I feared. I no longer remember in detail his book (and not "their book" for that matter) which I read a few years ago, but it seemed to me to say the least exaggerated to speak of "anthropological ideology. sophist". You don't have to read it of course, but from there to have such strong opinions on a book that you have not read! So I will follow Ahmed and even I think it is not true, Bourguignon is not someone who denies science and his book is scientifically argued, far from the image you have made of it from comment from others (who is this commentator anyway? whatever?). In the quotation that you bring back, Bourguignon is content just to put the science of specialists in a right place in our contemporary society, not to "bring accusation to science". It is true that he sometimes drifts towards a perhaps cosmological / biodynamic thought, inspired in part it seems to me, precisely by his wife but hey ... according to my memory all this remains minimal compared to the general content of the delivered.
Regarding the alterglobalist / scientific opposition, I believe that there again you are making amalgams. The alterglobalists have created advanced scientific sections and arguments. In a way, moreover, I find that alter-globalism has become entangled in a siding, precisely because they are trying to prove their conceptions by science (perhaps Marxist resurgences?).
But I agree once again that made us drift far from the bees ...
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by izentrop » 04/07/18, 06:56

Janic, it was not an insult. We all have this cognitive bias in one way or another. Me too, while trying to heal myself.

To be chaffoin you are right. I had misinterpreted CB's sentence a little bit: "Science can kill us because morality does not follow. We have biblical morals and XNUMXst century technology. Scientists have become the new priests., In the XNUMXth century they were monks !! The common man is cut off from the scientific, technical and industrial culture manipulated by distant specialists. " There is some truth in what he has been repeating from the start but it lacks nuance and it generates confusion.
Some priests may have been scientifically minded, but up to a certain limit. Today some scientists (function) are not better, the habit does not make the monk.
"The common man is cut off from scientific culture" is absolutely true. We should learn this culture and critical thinking at school.

Altermondialism based on science? Maybe in another subject ...
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by Janic » 04/07/18, 07:44

Janic, it was not an insult.

that the least qualified in an area overestimate their competence.[*] [*]
I don't take this as a PERSONAL insult. Each individual can and should be “proud” of the knowledge they have acquired over time and their experience. I reproach, with you as with anyone, including me if that happens, [*] spreading fake news, fashionable fake news, without checking its veracity beforehand as is the case of Wakefield and his team who were slandered by a journalist in search of sensationalism and in conflict of interest with the pharmaceutical industry.
It is to defame one of the rare biologists demonstrating scientifically, (and none of his opponents has ever disputed his research work), the risks that vaccines pose to individuals who must nevertheless be informed according to the law. Which shows the exceptional nature of non-pharmacological control of these vaccines and the danger of its adjuvants, which is becoming more and more recognized as in America which compensates victims of autism following vaccines.
To challenge, with others, a food mode without having experienced it yourself.
To challenge a different medicine, without knowing the ins and outs, by "pseudo scientists" incompetent and on this subject, as it does not seem to be well understood, I suggest this comparison.
In sport (which is a discipline like medicine is another) a thrower is incompetent in marathon, unless he practices it himself; a pole vaulter is incompetent in throwing discs, unless he practices it himself and at the same level, etc.
The positions taken by the A, with respect to the H (which you take back to your account without verification) like other alternative medicines is of the same kind: it is not their specialty and therefore they are incompetent in this domain: period!
We all have this cognitive bias in one way or another. Me too, while trying to heal myself.
Well I sincerely wish you a speedy recovery!

[*] It happened to me several times right here and I immediately corrected it! What I did not perceive coming from you! : Cry:
[*] [*] there are two main ways of measuring skills or incompetences and both can and must be combined:
a) through intellectual knowledge, linked to education, school or university training, etc.
b) by experience acquired over time
and therefore the least qualified are those who limit themselves to one aspect.
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by izentrop » 04/07/18, 13:18

Janic wrote:Wakefield and his team who were slandered by a journalist in search of sensational
No need to repeat it over and over, everyone understands, except you, that he is a crook https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... mr-vaccine
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by Janic » 04/07/18, 14:46

No need to repeat it over and over, everyone understands, except you, that he is a crook
you see, you are incorrigible, you immediately start defaming again. The judgment concluded on the contrary that the defamation of the journalist was, she, guilty and the team, because it is a team of 12 people who concluded that the probable incidence of the vaccines concerned, innocent. Unless your guardian is more reliable than a court. especially since your article dates from 2010, you should update it. : Evil:
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Re: The death of bees puts the planet in danger




by to be chafoin » 04/07/18, 15:59

Note these effects of neonicotinoids on other wild pollinators such as the febrile bumblebee: the queen would be disturbed even before the creation of her colony.
https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/animaux ... ion_124945
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by izentrop » 04/07/18, 17:12

Janic wrote:your article dates from 2010, you should update it.
Normal, the case goes back to 98. Read the article, he made countless breaches of elementary rules. His study was only about children 11 and the most serious:
Wakefield, now based in the United States, was also found not to have been opened with the Lancet. He did not tell them that £ 55 in funding for the study came from legal aid counsel. Wakefield advised Richard Barr, a lawyer who wanted evidence to prosecute vaccine manufacturers on behalf of parents of autistic children. It was clearly a conflict of interest and should have been declared.
You find that normal since after several calls, he got out, but not because he was scientifically right.

To be chaffoin, science and future is not a scientific reference, it is just a newspaper.
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Re: The death of bees puts the planet in danger




by izentrop » 09/07/18, 00:34

Real common sense:
The fiction of the apocalypse of bees
The original bee apocalypse crisis, the reason why neonics were banned in the first place, turned out to be a complete fiction. (Indeed, bee populations are increasing in Europe and in all the other continents of the world, and since the marketing of neonics in the mid-1990s and these are facts easily verifiable thanks to a Google search on the site from FAO (http://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QA) https://quoideneuf.housseniawriting.com ... s_abeilles
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