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by bham » 11/02/08, 05:33

Internet practices and some prices to please Christophe :D
By the way Chris, it is likely this story of 1 click = 1 € billed to the debit of the company that advertises? (see blue in the text).


Tintin, Google and Baumaux advertisements

What was not the amazement of some of our friends or adherents when they realized in January that the petition of Kokopelli (signed besides by hundreds of thousands of French) was framed on its reception site (that of our friends from Univers-Nature) by huge advertising placards from the company Graines Baumaux, the same company that dragged us before the courts, which demanded 50 euros for unfair competition, which required the cessation of 000% of the activities of the Kokopelli Association and which succeeded in making us condemn before the Nancy Court to 80 euros in penalties.

Our friends at Univers-Nature, who have also managed our website for 6 years, thought they could deal with Baumaux ads on Google by blocking the appearance of the url of this company, which then put a second one online.

We have since investigated the web and we have noticed that indeed very many websites and blogs, which communicated on Kokopelli's struggles against the seed mafia, saw their page surrounded by Baumaux advertisements when these sites and blogs accepted Google ads.

The reasons for this massive assault on internet advertising from Baumaux are simple:

- from a strategic point of view, the brand image of Baumaux suffered greatly from its senseless attack on Kokopelli.

- from a technical point of view, Baumaux had to pay dearly at Google for the terms "organic seeds" and "organic seeds" to be positioned very well on web pages, if not very often in first place! (We hope he didn't buy Kokopelli's name: it's a very common practice on the web to buy the names of those we want to harm).

The result is spectacular: all the sites and blogs that accept Google ads and that echo Kokopelli's struggle "attract" Baumaux pubs in the form of large green placards (green like ecology, of course! !): Many Internet users are quite baffled.

What to do? It is not within the prerogatives of the Kokopelli Association to launch a generalized boycott against Baumaux, as has been suggested to us many times.

Informed Internet users, on the other hand, informed us that they were not offended by this aggressive commercial strategy: on the contrary, they clicked on the ad, and rather twice or three times than one, and they left the page well of the Baumaux site open in its entirety.
Cost of the operation: 1 euro billed to the debit of said company.
50 clicks = 000 euros! It is expensive organic and what organic!

Organic seeds at Baumaux are a reflection of the "protection of biodiversity" at GNIS: many beautiful words. Organic seeds represent a tiny percentage of the Baumaux catalog, which means moreover that all the rest of the seeds marketed by this company are produced with the most toxic of agricultural practices because seed agriculture uses all the more powder of perlin pinpin that the seeds are not eaten! In addition, these few "organic seeds" are very often only F1 hybrids which contribute as much to the erosion of genetic resources.

And at what price! How can Baumaux have the presumptuousness to blame the Kokopelli Association for "enrichment" when we analyze the prices charged for its "organic seeds":
- the F1 hybrid tomato "Aspion" at 4 euros 50 for 10 seeds.
- the F1 hybrid tomato "Agro" at 4 euros 50 for 10 seeds.
- F1 hybrid tomato "Myriade" at 6 euros 50 for 10 seeds. This represents an increase of 650% over the prices charged for tomatoes by Kokopelli.

- "Tintin" lettuce at 4 euros 30 for 150 seeds. This represents an increase of 870% compared to the prices charged for lettuce by Kokopelli.
... / ...

Another big thank you to all our friends for the incredible support of the past few weeks: heart balm.

Dominique guillet

http://www.kokopelli.asso.fr/index.html
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by Christine » 11/02/08, 16:54

For the price of € 1 per click, it is possible but not certain: it is a kind of stock exchange / auction where everyone decides their budget. On the other hand, about the key words, I specify that they cannot have "bought" the word "kokopelli" as the mailing says it but that they can have put a high budget on this word to be certain of 'appear each time the word is written on a site offering google ads; but it is certain that the word "buy" is more effective and will make more than one jump.

Otherwise, I found the arguments of the 1st article very interesting, a pity that we are entitled once again to the soup of fascists-petainists-plotters-who-are ugly-in addition-yuck. Me it stuffs me and I stop taking my head on this subject. Ciao.
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by Christine » 11/02/08, 17:59

Uh, well, I'm just coming back for a minute to add that I find the minister's statement very sad and that I am surprised that no one has yet responded.

Let's go a bit beyond the koko case: is it normal for a minister to contradict a court decision? Certainly not. Is it normal that in a state of law, a minister intervenes in a file because the condemned person is sympathetic to him and because she is a client? Certainly not.

Would it be normal for a minister who is really concerned with the problem of biological heritage to do the utmost to put in place regulations and networks favorable to its conservation, without it being individuals and associations who must take care of it and this sometimes bordering on legality? Certainly yes .
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by jean63 » 11/02/08, 18:11

- from a technical point of view, Baumaux had to pay dearly at Google for the terms "organic seeds" and "organic seeds" to be positioned very well on web pages, if not very often in first place! (We hope he didn't buy Kokopelli's name: it's a very common practice on the web to buy the names of those we want to harm).

The result is spectacular: all the sites and blogs that accept Google ads and that echo Kokopelli's struggle "attract" Baumaux pubs in the form of large green placards (green like ecology, of course! !): Many Internet users are quite baffled.

The advertisement for Baumaux seeds also appears on the econology site, I just saw him.

In addition I recently received their catalog: I wonder where they found my address? I didn't even know this brand.
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by Targol » 11/02/08, 18:16

Christine wrote:Uh, well, I'm just coming back for a minute to add that I find the minister's statement very sad and that I am surprised that no one has yet responded.

Let's go a bit beyond the koko case: is it normal for a minister to contradict a court decision? Certainly not. Is it normal that in a state of law, a minister intervenes in a file because the condemned person is sympathetic to him and because she is a client? Certainly not.

Would it be normal for a minister who is really concerned with the problem of biological heritage to do the utmost to put in place regulations and networks favorable to its conservation, without it being individuals and associations who must take care of it and this sometimes bordering on legality? Certainly yes .


Completely agree with you Christine.
When Chichi wanted to pardon Guy Drut for his conviction, there was (and this is normal), an outcry.
The more it goes, the more the separation of powers invented by Montesquieu (which has served as a model or at least as an inspiration to all democracies in the world) is in the process of flapping its wings in the country where it was born .
The current government has such a sense of omnipotence that it even thinks it can influence the judicial systems of other countries ("I would bring them back" by Sarko at the start of the Arche de Zoe trial in Chad).
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by bham » 12/02/08, 14:08

Christine wrote:Let's go a bit beyond the koko case: .... / ....
Would it be normal for a minister who is really concerned with the problem of biological heritage to do the utmost to put in place regulations and networks favorable to its conservation, without it being individuals and associations who must take care of it and this sometimes bordering on legality? Certainly yes .

I think indeed that whatever one thinks about this affair and this association, one must see the stakes behind it, ie the freedom to use organic, natural seeds therefore to use biodiversity without legislative constraints and without the influence of seed lobbies.
So either it is not normal for a minister to challenge a court decision, although it is not the first to do so, especially in political matters (see Iznogoud) but I find it rather promising for a democracy to put in place cause, not the court decision but indirectly the law which provoked this decision.
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by Woodcutter » 25/05/08, 22:39

I haven't followed what has happened since ...

Just a quick comment: I ran into people from Kokopelli to Primrose in Lyon and they seemed to me to be quite sympathetic ...
Conclusion: do not condemn an ​​association for the actions (not very glorious) of a sample of their members ... :|
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by I Citro » 25/05/08, 23:23

Woodcutter wrote:I haven't followed what has happened since ...

Just a quick comment: I ran into people from Kokopelli to Primrose in Lyon and they seemed to me to be quite sympathetic ...
Conclusion: do not condemn an ​​association for the actions (not very glorious) of a sample of their members ... :|


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Their work is a real priesthood, they eat rabid cow.
I easily understand that their words sometimes come out of the "consensual" and can shock ... Many people would have already dropped the song for them or "blown a fuse". :?
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by Christophe » 26/01/10, 11:46

It seems that there are some who live to just seek shit from others ...

PETITION: SUPPORT TO THE KOKOPELLI ASSOCIATION

To sign directly a single click is enough
http://www.cyberacteurs.org/actions/form.php?id=40

To protest against the recklessness of Baumaux who registered the trademark "Tomate KOKOPELLI" while he brought a lawsuit against the association of the same name, we intend, by signing this petition, to demonstrate that the existence of it and its notoriety owes nothing to Baumaux, and was very real before any trademark was filed by this company.

in the spring of 2007 500 of you took part in the campaign "" GMO free sows "
http://www.cyberacteurs.org/forum/viewsujet.php?t=3300

in the first quarter of 2008, you were 13000 to participate in cyber @ction 244 in favor of kokopelli
http://www.cyberacteurs.org/archives/archive.php?id=214

The legal dispute between Kokopelli and the company Baumaux has taken a new turn

In his spring 2010 catalog, GRAINES BAUMAUX offers for sale, on page 490, a mixture of 15 varieties of tomatoes that its manager has chosen to call "TOMATE KOKOPELLI", this designation being followed by a small sign © indicating that he owns the brand.
following the press release from Kokopelli's lawyer
http://www.cyberacteurs.org/forum/viewsujet.php?t=7234

Text of the petition

I hereby certify that I am aware of the KOKOPELLI association, its name and its activities to disseminate seed biodiversity well before any trademark registration by the company Baumaux.
In this International Year of Biodiversity, this action must, more than ever, continue. By signing this petition I would like to support the KOKOPELLI association and allow it to claim it if necessary.

You can find the presentation of this petition on the site
http://www.cyberacteurs.org/actions/pre ... .php?id=40


: Shock: : Shock:
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by Capt_Maloche » 26/01/10, 12:23

Christophe wrote:Received by email:
The Nîmes Court of Appeal strongly condemned the seeds of the Kokopelli association.

Dear Friends and Friends of Kokopelli
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We have to go to the polls, as in other generations we had to go to arms, so to respond to the insult to democracy, with this travesty of ecological awareness; let's go to the garden, sow Life with old seeds, at least we won't waste our time.
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What should citizen actions be today? Enforce European directives and apply the precautionary principle, by neutralizing GMOs in the open fields, taken to prison. Maintaining, safeguarding, promoting genetic diversity, through our seed heritage, according to the wishes of the greatest number and in compliance with the laws of force in this country, leads to condemnation. Reducing pesticides by using phytocultural practices (nettle manure and others ...) is also reprehensible.
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No but it's not possible !! (again :frown: )


REVOLUTION!! , it really starts to take my throat

Toff, we should list the most incredible subjects like this one or recently the radioactive waste authorized in usual products https://www.econologie.com/forums/des-dechet ... t9074.html
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