Stop animal proteins and cancers

[Obamot]

What Janic gives us a single reference indicating that the team of Dr. Kousmine would not have studied the multifactorial origin of the diseases?

While waiting for him to do so, I give proof to the contrary:
In 6 pillars of his method (multifactorial, yes, and classified into six original causes)
http://kousmine.fr/47/La_m%C3%A9thode.html

Examples?

Half of his book "Be well on your plate until age 80 and over" is devoted to it: supporting clinical cases ... What worked in patients (or not) and why ...! With even chemical formulas that explain it!

Then my example as a guinea pig (cured of paralyzing allergies ...)

Then also his experiments on mice - which anyone can reproduce - proves it irrefutably. Let Janic buy his books ... And he will understand how much why the little fight "VG"VS"the rest of the world"is outdated (and also if he studied biochemistry a little too ...).

Other researchers have resumed its work with success, and prides itself on "novelties" while it was a decisive link (precursor with Dr Budwig, Linus Pauling and a few others, while we hardly spoke of vegetarians in the fifties and that they themselves did not know that their eating habits could be deficient, since it was only discovered afterwards ...)

I had also interviewed Dr. Kousmine for the radio, because I have made programs on this subject of prevention for fifteen years: if Janic has questions ... ;-)

So no, there is no need to "to laugh hard", About researchers who deserve better respect from her ... Because they are rare and are real graduate scientists (she had been a laureate of the University of Lausanne, in her time and had contributed to the training from his own dietician (Brigitte Favre, whom I also interviewed) developed her own research laboratory: I don't know many who have done it, solely to ensure the better well-being of their patients, or even to cure them nine times out of ten) ... and trained the next generation of doctors, like Dr Besson (whom I also met and of whom I am the patient, but whom I hardly see since I am in good health ...)

So, on the contrary, what I say has been studied, tested and verified ... proven scientifically and in practice ... and also on myself!

[Janic]

Obamot hello

What Janic gives us a single reference indicating that the team of Dr. Kousmine would not have studied the multifactorial origin of the diseases?

not only did I not say that but just the opposite

Furthermore, whatever the value of Kousmine's work, it does not represent the only scientific reference on the subject, but we can recognize the multifactorial origins of cancers and other diseases in general,

Besides, I read at least one work by Kousmine, a long time ago and I found interesting things that cut across other sources of the same kind, but certain aspects do not correspond either to my philosophy of hygiene or to other works. that I consulted at the time (without internet). otherwise its pillars are shared by all naturopaths (except the "vaccines" which are, but are not)

Half of his book "Be well on your plate until age 80 and over" is devoted to it: supporting clinical cases ... What worked in patients (or not) and why ...! With even chemical formulas that explain it! Then my example as a guinea pig (cured of paralyzing allergies ...)

Why not? But other sources with more or less similar methods arrive at the same result. You would have gone to VGL, the result would have been the same, maybe even better.
What often escapes is that illnesses are like weights weighing on the side of a scale and that relieving the plateau (by any means) brings it back to balance whether by the Kousmine method or another.

Then also his experiments on mice - which anyone can reproduce - proves it irrefutably. Let Janic buy his books ... And he will understand how much why the little war "VG" VS "the rest of the world" is outdated (and also if he studied biochemistry a little too ...).

I must have in the 500 books and a few thousand journals on these subjects for 40 years and I am saturated by it because there is not much new, if not more scientific explanations but which do not change anything at bottom.

Other researchers have resumed its work with success, and prides itself on "novelties" while it was a decisive link (precursor with Dr Budwig, Linus Pauling and a few others, while we hardly spoke of vegetarians in the fifties and that they themselves did not know that their eating habits could be deficient, since it was only discovered afterwards ...)

For Switzerland perhaps, in France the great figures of vegeta * ism were also doing their works following on from the great hygienist reforms of the end of the 19th century. What really changed around the 50s was the attitude towards food quality following the development of agro-industry and therefore the subsequent development of organic.

So no, there is no reason to "giggle" about researchers who deserve better respect from her ... Because they are rare and are real qualified scientists (she had been awarded the University of Lausanne, in its time and had contributed to the training of its own dietician (Brigitte Favre, whom I also interviewed) developed its own research laboratory: I don't know many who have done it, only to ensure a better well-being of their patients, see to cure them nine times out of ten) ... And trained the next generation of doctors, like Dr Besson (whom I also met and of whom I am the patient, but whom I do not hardly see since I was in good health ...)

There is nothing to laugh about, if a medical or scientific title impresses; the development of hygienism was done as much by doctors as by non-doctors (fortunately, moreover, their training hardly included any knowledge on this subject).

So, on the contrary, what I say has been studied, tested and verified ... proven scientifically and in practice ... and this also on myself

Ditto for "we" the VGR / VGL. The anedotes I point to bear witness to this.

[Obamot]

I must have within 500 books and a few thousand reviews on these subjects for 40 years

Bein diwouar ... It's crazy how easy it is to become VG ...

For the rest, you often contradict yourself, so stop your provocation: too bad ...

[Janic]

Janic wrote:
I must have in the 500 books and a few thousand journals on these subjects for 40 years

Bein diwouar ... It's crazy how easy it is to become VG ...

What do you want some are interested in the collection of stamps, others in reduced models, others make radio broadcasts, I was interested in hygienism / VGL and theology, but I could have become a follower of Kousmine (in fact it was not possible!), but indeed, rare are the VG as well documented and who think to find everything on the internet.

For the rest, you often contradict yourself, so stop your provocation: too bad ...

Contradict? It is possible no one is perfect, (at least not me, some maybe?) But where?

[Obamot]

Tsss, that's what I said from the start:

- the lambda housewife does not have the means or the place to store all your books! She still has to take care of her kids, do the housework, so the shopping, especially since they often have a job today ... This is why the vast majority of people cannot push the reasoning far enough by becoming VG, and there the risks are high enough to eat poorly (whatever they do, so status quo or not), if they are not at the cleat ...

I know it's a shame, but it's reality, it seems to me!

By cons, Kousmine requires little adaptation, so it seems more realistic, given the life situation of people ... And even Kousmine, it is not given to everyone, it requires a minimum of insight.

[Obamot]

Among your contradictions:

What often escapes is that illnesses are like weights weighing on the side of a scale and that relieving the plateau (by any means) brings it back to balance whether by the Kousmine method or another.

You say it yourself, we can "go back to balance"whether it is with Kousmine, or other ... Which is correct, but it is on a case-by-case basis! Moreover, you describe a mechanism similar to the management of" stress ". vegetarianism does nothing more (even if I think that it would be necessary to achieve it ideally: only, "ideally" we are not there yet) ...

Furthermore, whatever the value of Kousmine's work, it does not represent the only scientific reference on the subject, but we can recognize the multifactorial origins of cancers and other diseases in general,

What Janic gives us a single reference indicating that the team of Dr. Kousmine would not have studied the multifactorial origin of the diseases?

not only did I not say that but just the opposite

Bein then, in this case had to write: "we can he recognize»
At least that would have been clear and admit the merits of his approach!

Contradict? It is possible no one is perfect, (at least not me, some maybe?) But where?

the president of the CIV says such enormous things (of this same kind) that even his dieticians must giggle.

There is nothing to laugh about

etc etc

[Obamot]

Last but not least:

When you are read, you defend the idea that everything is easy to become VG:

We start with ourselves, simply, without advertising, just by the example that encourages or not to do the same, it is not more difficult.

And then over time, we realize that nothing is less certain:

In reality, it's much more complex because there are multiple VG "schools".

interesting that you know better than specialists from subject.

I must have in the 500 books and a few thousand journals on these subjects for 40 years

[Janic]

Obamot

- Tsss, that's what I said from the start:

the lambda housewife does not have the means or the place to store all your books! She still has to take care of her kids, do the housework, so the shopping, especially since they often have a job today ...

Obviously, then the average housewife lets the VG leaders write the question down and exchange the mail (before the internet) with it, that was the aim of the reviews.
To have a digest within the reach of the average housewife, Dextreit leader of a VG current wrote what is called "the harmonist method", one of the simplest and most complete on the question. It makes ONE book!
Some very simple notions of physiology (the body is a machine), some basics on diet, remedies and natural hygiene, physical activity, a memento of natural medicine with the majority of the health incidents listed, some simple examples of easy-to-make recipes: what more do people want? You don't have to memorize it any more than you memorize the dictionary either!

This is why the vast majority of people cannot push the reasoning far enough by becoming VG, and there the risks are high enough to eat poorly (whatever they do, therefore status quo or not), if they are not at the cleat ...

There, it is obvious, but people, as you say, cannot be interested in everything, it is rather the circumstances which lead to asking questions: a personal problem not solved by modern medicine, a knowledge making a move in this direction. No one among vegetarians, for health reasons (others still believe in Santa Claus), has the illusion that society will become it by choice (this is the law of the genre). On the other hand, by obligation, this is highly likely to become the case. As a biblical precept says: "What you did not want to do in easy times, you will have to do in difficult times"

I know it's a shame, but it's reality, it seems to me!

This is indeed the reality! From where these thousands of deaths by diseases of our societies and the low mortality by natural wear, it is a question of choice of society AND of individual!
For the record, one of my sisters-in-law, suffering from cancer said " what you do is good for you, but not for me"She died of it too! So goes life and death!

By cons, Kousmine requires little adaptation, so it seems more realistic, given the life situation of people ... And even Kousmine, it is not given to everyone, it requires a minimum of insight.

For what I read about Kousmine: one or two books, a few articles on the Internet, it's quite close to Dextreit except that it is entirely VGR and pro natural medicine while Kousmine is medicated by medical deformation.

Among your contradictions:
Janic wrote:
What often escapes is that illnesses are like weights weighing on the side of a scale and that relieving the plateau (by any means) brings it back to balance whether by the Kousmine method or another.

You say it yourself, we can "go back to balance" whether with Kousmine, or other ... Which is correct, but it is on a case-by-case basis! Besides, you describe a mechanism similar to the management of "stress". Therefore, vegetarianism does nothing more (even if I think it would be necessary to achieve it ideally: only, "ideally" we are not there yet) ...

This is not a contradiction, but an observation. To know if the VG brings or not a plus, it must be practiced, it is in his body that the difference will be noticeable or not, not in theories or books. Let's say that vegeta * ism will make this rebalancing faster and reduce or prevent a new imbalance. Only lived experience can answer them.

Bein then, in this case had to write: "we can recognize him"
At least that would have been clear and admit the merits of his approach!

Why not ? A thought and its mode of expression can have differences; if your wording seems clearer: why not? But here again it is not a question of contradiction, my formulation is and remains grammatically valid

Janic wrote:
Contradict? It is possible no one is perfect, (at least not me, some maybe?) But where?

Janic wrote:
the president of the CIV says such enormous things (of this same kind) that even his dieticians must laugh.
Janic wrote:
There is nothing to laugh about

Indeed, I had not redone this link and attributed this giggle to what I had just written. Like what !
But if you are interested I can point out your apparent or real contradictions or stick to the exchange of views on the merits.

[Obamot]

while Kousmine is medicated by medical deformation.

pffff, orthomolecular medicine, it's really not that at all
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9dec ... %A9culaire

... you often magnify the line, or you minimize, Routine!

[Janic]

Janic wrote:
while Kousmine is medicated by medical deformation.

pffff, orthomolecular medicine, it's really not that at all

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9dec ... %A9culaire
I could not say that not, but from memory (it's been 20/30 years), they were not natural products as the hygienism conceives and the names (I am not specialist) sounded well medoc side. I no longer have this book so I remain on the print, but if I find ....
Others also have a chemical / natural approach like Seignalet with his 3 ° medicine with excellent results, David-Servan Screiber was shared between natural medicine and chemo, this is the case for many doctors caught between their initial training and their complementary approach. They too are humans!