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by to be chafoin » 13/06/18, 12:19

Yes maybe...
olivier75 wrote:It's not really verified, as it's just this year but quite spectacular. And this garden is still (almost) conventional is the entire surface that has been sown with mustard! And before the rest.
can you specify your business: did you sow mustard (when?) and your seedlings after uprooting (?, burial?) green manures (how long after?) ...
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by Did67 » 13/06/18, 14:47

I'm going to watch K. Schreiber's video.

As far as mushrooms are concerned, I have doubts: I have been happy for years with my mushroom sprouts! And yet:

a) you do not control their development, very dependent on the weather ...

b) and this year, I have a real and real problem with slugs ... Despite my mushrooms "en masse" (even this year)

But he does say that slugs love mushrooms. See the photo below taken two days ago: these 3 slugs are eating a piece of "mushroom"

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Here is the "song" in question:

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In short, "theoretically"Yes. It is in the great theory on" biological balances ". What I also say, about" plants-martyrs ".

In practice: blah blah! There are phase differences between natural cycles and the gardener. The notion of equilibrium must be understood over the very long term, with constant oscillations, resulting from complex interactions "upstream" of the predator. The auxiliaries have predators, which have predators, which have predators ... And at the exit, a "wave" arrives whose origin you do not know, as there may be waves on a beach, under the sky calm, because a storm takes place 500 km away ... The vivat is built according to the survival of a species. The individual is absolutely irrelevant ...

It does not seem "operational" to me.

Afterwards, that fits into the global approach consisting in saying that in order not to suffer too much from a "parasite", it is necessary to "breed this parasite" (to attract and feed the auxiliaries).
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by olivier75 » 13/06/18, 19:20

Didier,
I hope you have seen the video, be chafouin simplified for the slackers, Conrad's speech is more complex even if it often takes provocative shortcuts ... Knowing that the videos broadcast are in addition to the end of his formations . As I said before I am their video and it seems to me that the MSV network is going in the right direction and are basically very close. (see composting is Conrad's polluter)
To be chafouin,
I just answered on my thread.

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by Did67 » 13/06/18, 19:35

olivier75 wrote:Didier,
I hope you have seen the video, be chafouin simplified for the slackers, Conrad's speech is more complex even if it often takes provocative shortcuts ... Knowing that the videos broadcast are in addition to the end of his formations . As I said before I am their video and it seems to me that the MSV network is going in the right direction and are basically very close. (see composting is Conrad's polluter)

Olivier


No, it was a reaction to the written word. But I also wrote that I intended to watch it.

I agree on the shortcuts. I have one or two in mind.

But I wrote it too: I can subscribe wholesale. On the martyrs plants, I do not say anything else. As long as you specify that sometimes, it slips. And that the question of equilibrium must be seen in a more complex way. Because she is.
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by Did67 » 13/06/18, 19:40

By the way, these pictures taken yesterday of "wild lettuce" (Lactuca virosa), which I mistakenly called "sow thistle" (because it produces latex, like sow thistle):

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The leaf is not cut, on a zigzagging edge:

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Absolutely characteristic, the row of thorns on the central vein (on the back) [I folded the sheet to highlight it]:

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by Did67 » 13/06/18, 19:48

And here is the true laiteron (Sonchus arvensis):

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The leaf with a zigzagging and thorny edge (what makes it call "thistle", sometimes, wrongly):

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The flow of latex, when the stem is broken, gives it its name (but wild lettuce also produces latex, hence my mistake to have used "generically" to plants producing latex when their stem is broken !):

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by Did67 » 13/06/18, 19:50

We often see it like this, at the "small plant" stage:

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It also works as a "bait" for slugs!
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by to be chafoin » 13/06/18, 20:16

Did67 wrote:On the martyrs plants, I do not say anything else.
Here, the thing maybe different to try would be: seedlings-martyrs!
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by green68 » 14/06/18, 12:06

"Slugs and snails" : Mrgreen:

Here not too many slugs; on the night out of yesterday only one of crossed :!:

For snails, on the other hand, it's the fiesta :(

I can be comforted with caviar : Lol:
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snail caviar


Here with the frequent rains the "hunting" is not over. Between the little ones (white / gray) and the bigger ones (brown) we still have a few evenings to browse.
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by to be chafoin » 14/06/18, 13:40

Yes for me it's a little similar, even if I watch a lot less ... but I have some damage:
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shot of attacked melon: slugs severed head
I wondered if I cut: well I need more to ask the question! Some seedlings of beans are also cut despite the mustard bait. Maybe because the temperature has dropped slightly ...
I have heard that some species react to the stress of global warming by reproducing more than before: this seems attested in the Gers for wild boars mating 5 times / year instead of 1fois / year before! Same thing for some fish that would spawn twice a year instead of one! Is it the same for slugs?
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