Obamot hello
The same attempt was made to quantify and qualify sects in France
Off topic !
On the contrary! Who evokes quackery sects?
Janic wrote:
This is the problem! If you walk nicely in the nails, good soldier well obedient to the system, you're a nice; if you walk outside you are a villain, a quack!
Nan, nan, nan not agree with this angle of attack!
I do not claim an agreement, it's just a point of view related to experience, to experience!
It is those who have illegitimate practices that must be in hiding (whether they belong to the Order or not), regardless of their degree of education, the type of medicine they practice, etc.
The others have nothing to fear in principle and in my humble opinion. That's not what I said or pretended, I just gave a trick or two to get through to those who think they're in a dead end.
Experience also makes it necessary to use tricks like to keep a low profile, to be as discreet as possible so as not to generate the wrath of the conservatives who hold the powers. But this HONcode (I do not deny its usefulness when we walk in the nails) is useless in these cases.
The goal was to give some tips not to get burned!
Except that it does not work for nonconformists. It's a bit like using an allopathic reading chart to adapt it to homeopathy, it does not work either.
It should be noted that there are doctors in the seraglio, who however do not walk "outside the box", who undergo the same treatment that you describe! Even if these are special cases, no one is immune.
Hard to believe ! Give a concrete example! As soon as a doctor moves away from medically "correct"
(I speak for France) and function of the differences in question, he will find himself pilloried by the order of doctors who watches over grain to preserve their exclusive business.
Because on the other hand, the current system offers guarantees that other systems (anarchic?) Would not have!
It is certain as any system instituted, it offers certain advantages and disadvantages too, after it is a question of choice and risks taken from both sides. but suffering does not wait for institutions to change, it demands an immediate response.
For the anecdote, personally lived, and certified by his entourage: a person suffering from cancer in the final phase and suffering enormously despite the drugs taken, saw his pain decrease and almost disappear, from simple hygienic advice, until his death.
And in the center of course, those whose avowed purpose (or unacknowledged) is not to heal, but to make money! The HONcode is also used to guard against this. It's stupidly a code of ethics, I do not see what can be blamed.
Nothing but its unsuitability to certain situations, at the margin, to which these criteria are not adapted
Incidentally, it should be noted that in my area, university hospitals, call on dowsers, healers and other bonesetters, as long as they benefit from experience and "recognized success" with the people they treat! There is even a directory ... You should come and settle here, you would be satisfied ... (So far from me the idea of labeling caregivers of any kind.)
Yes, but you are Switzerland (Protestant heritage), we in France (eldest daughter of the Church who has kept some inquisitorial reflexes). But, it changes very slowly, too!
Janic wrote:
obamot wrote:
This is how! And that's also a protection against charlatans, right? (The "real" ones, and not those who would be labeled as such and who would not, since there are unfortunately some.)
And according to what criteria and who decides that this or that is a quack?
I deliberately enlarged the line to make myself understood, but the example above with the CHUV and the HUG, shows that there is no need to segregate ... Since there will necessarily be a "sorting" by the patients, who will return to the caregiver (in which case there will be advertising by word of mouth): or not ...!
It's Switzerland!
http://www.medecine.unige.ch/enseigneme ... sseurs.pdfIn France, I recognize that the Council of the Order is very limited!
It is more than limited, it only serves to protect the benefits and power of the profession and labs, patients are not their main goal.
I have no opinion on this question, but it is to be feared that a "bad doctor" of the seraglio, also has to be accountable in the event of repeated and / or unexplained deaths ... (Many cases in France these last years...)
20.000 cases estimated all the same! And I do not speak of bad doctors, but of a bad medicine, it is different!
In addition, at the criminal level, it would be necessary to prove a "will to harm", but if the caregiver did not seek to dissuade a patient from seeking treatment elsewhere, I do not see what one could blame him for!
But it is also valid for any parallel that will be pilloried, success or not! We are in France where deterrence is manu militari!
If crossing the white line is to be wary of doctors who practice conventional "firefighter" medicine, I admit that I have already done so.
And you found yourself with the cops on the buttocks as the couple who refuses the vaccines in question (illegal vaccines also since quinquavalents)?
Janic wrote:
In general, the use of non-classical methods only occurs after the failure of the previous ones. otherwise it's like wanting to fill a bathtub by leaving the drain open (here is canceled) or worse leave the tap open by trying to empty it with a small spoon!
Yes, well ... It's not wrong. On the other hand, life is full of barriers that everyone must remove, it is not new all that ... We know from the outset, even among "very official" (and besides I believe that it 'is even worse for them, must see how terrible the selection is in university hospitals these days ... and why should healers not be subjected to such selection, IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF PATIENTS => IN A SENSE AS IN THE OTHER ...!)
Just as much of course! Unfortunately how to do this sorting knowing that in this area as in others, it does not work every time and that every exclusion, would only further penalize a slice of caregivers do not meet the new criteria instituted (by practitioners current in general who are mutually contentious most of the time) Indeed, in case of cumulative failures, the left behind would start looking for another exit, not recognized according to the new criteria, and this endlessly It's the snake biting its tail! But I recognize that what Switzerland is doing is already a big step towards less exclusivity.
Attention, iatrogenesis can come ONLY and exclusively from a prescriber member of the nursing staff! (A doctor in this case ...)
That's what I was mentioning!
Janic wrote:
Thus, as pointed out above, what HONcode for radiesthesists, magnetizers, fire cutters, etc ... who heal, heal, where others have abandoned or are helpless!
Ah well it depends on the qualifiers you use, the HONcode is very clear on that! In the HONsearch you have 171 results when you put the word "dowsing", so it is not taboo or excluded from those who adhere to the HONcode ... You see how far preconceived ideas can lead (I'm not saying this is your case, but you have to be careful ...)
http://www.larevuedupraticien.fr/histoi ... e-medicale (note that the newspaper does not get wet by giving no opinion for or against, which is not a recognition so far.)
It's because you did not know the HONcode, maybe?
Very probably ! What I say most certainly, I only reacted according to the list that you indicated, so I did not make the trial but just indicated its unsuitability to certain situations.
PS: I tell you that in some countries, they are more and more very open on these topics ...
Good! Provided that it multiplies and spreads to France with the suppression of the order of doctors "Vichycian" that Mittérand had promised to suppress, but this order is a state in the French state, powerful, since representative of huge industries drugs poisons.
not agree with this angle of attack!