Buying hay to start

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Re: Buying hay to start




by Did67 » 31/07/17, 18:46

Guibnd wrote:
I would not break my back to tear it out but I would be wary of the seeds which get thicker from one year to the next!
The root will quietly decompose in the soil ...


Yes.

And if you maintain a sufficient permanent layer, it does not even germinate (except in the furrows that you open) ... It is the most present plant and which almost instantly disappeared from my vegetable garden with a few relics (I must look for it when I tell my visitors about it, that they don't know and that I want to show them!]
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by ChristianC » 31/07/17, 18:51

Guibnd wrote:Wow, Christian! You look very small next to your big rod!
I do not know the name of this weed, I have a few at home but they are at most 40-50 cm.
The yellow flower, it seems to me that it is evening primrose also called the `` gardener's ham '' (because you can eat its root, I never tasted it)


Hey! I am not tall :D , but the stem is about 2,10 meters.
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by Ahmed » 31/07/17, 22:18

Guibnd, you write:
Ahmed, is this the first year that you have collected your seedlings with compost from the recycling center?
are you satisfied with the result

Yes, it is the first year and on seedlings of carrots (not yet seen the result) and beans; these grow really well, but especially under the influence of hay (in any case, the compost had no negative effect).
That's all I can say for the moment, given my limited experience in this area.
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by Grelinette » 01/08/17, 16:47

For those looking for hay to mulch, I give you this "tip" to get it at a low price, and even for free! : Cheesy:

I own horses and like any horse owner I buy my hay from a farmer.
The new hay (the one that has just grown) is cut in fine weather, in May or June for sunny areas and the following weeks for others, and there are often several hay cuts from spring to fall.

This means that the producer-sellers must quickly sell the hay from the past year, which has lost a large part of its nutritional qualities and its appetite for animals, to store the beautiful freshly cut and dried hay: it is therefore necessary to quickly empty the old hay stocks remaining, and some do not hesitate to throw it or burn it! : Cry:

Likewise, it is important to clean the storage sheds which are generally well soiled with hay on the ground from boots handled with machines, and others which break and fall to the ground. Certainly, some give this old hay to animals (equines, cattle, goats, etc.) but it is not recommended because it is very loaded with dust, humidity and fungi which can cause serious respiratory diseases: allergies, emphysema, asthma, respiratory infections or brain disorders caused by fungi or bacteria).

In short, take a tour of the surrounding hay merchants, farms and other places where herbivores are present and offer to come and clean the hay shed free of charge by collecting what is on the ground and the old unsaleable hay bales. If the owner of the premises is open and "generous", he will quickly understand his interest (labor + cleaning time + hygiene assured for his new hay). On the other hand, you will have to plan to come with a good trailer because depending on the size of the hangar there will be large volumes of old hay to be removed, at worst fill large sacks!

That was the tip of the day! : Cheesy:
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Re: Buying hay to start




by guibnd » 02/08/17, 07:49

Grelinette wrote:For those looking for hay to mulch, I give you this "tip" to get it at a low price, and even for free! : Cheesy:
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That was the tip of the day! : Cheesy:


THANKS Grelinette for the tip,
this hay, even if it is not top for feeding animals, it is gold for the gardener!
exchange of good process ...
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by ChristianC » 02/08/17, 13:16

Ahmed wrote:But other solutions exist, apart from the baler: the "kit", already mentioned; bags and "big bags" means,


Ahmed, here is the solution "by hand", fork and big-bag, we have just experienced it this morning:

More precisely, my estimate of the effort, which could (the estimate, not the effort, sorry) possibly be used by other lazy gardeners having to collect their hay like me:

For 2 people, 3/4 hour for 2 bags stuffed on the already mowed ground then transported and emptied at the edge of the garden, in total from door to door (5 X 2 km).

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2 large bags loading in the station wagon
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I think that in ten round trips, I will have what I need in 6 to 7 hours of laziness therefore, but laziness almost free, for a living garden that will feed us next year ...

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by Ahmed » 02/08/17, 21:14

This is the "big bag" medium I mentioned, the only one well suited to manual use. These bags are solid, but care must be taken not to drag them on the ground, otherwise it will deteriorate very quickly.
It is possible to increase the load of hay by placing two strings at the bottom of the container, before filling it: these links will make it possible to compress the volume ultimately.
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by Did67 » 04/08/17, 21:44

Grelinette wrote:
I own horses and like any horse owner I buy my hay from a farmer.



I generally refer the "budding phenoculturists", clueless at the idea of ​​finding hay [there are some who go to garden centers, where they find small packages for dwarf rabbits at the price of corn flakes for humans !, to equestrian centers and horse shelters, who know the circuits ...
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 05/08/17, 01:23

Guibnd wrote:concerning the hay supply, after having used my unused reserve of old hay of 15 years old last winter, I contacted a farmer 6km from my home, (via the good c..n, I don't know if we has the right to quote?).

on the phone, he told me the very good quality of his hay from this spring 2017 which did not take on water during drying etc ... I explained to him what I wanted to do with it and that it bothered me to deprive cattle of very good quality hay ...
he kindly offered me a hundred small rectangular bales (10-12 kgs) of 2-year-old hay that cluttered his attic at half price, ie € 1 for the bale (instead of € 2) ... you're talking if i 'want in !!! I don't care if it got wet (I think I remember that 2 years ago, we had a wet spring?).
Morality: I do not regret having spoken of the phenoculture to this `` intensive '' farmer who did not make fun of me (of me openly, too happy to get rid of his bundles perhaps?) Or so , mentalities are gradually changing ...


Even if we are lucky to have more proximity since it is our neighbor, the process is the same, he gets rid thanks to us of his rotten balls ... and he is very happy ... and we are delighted ... (this week’s delivery has already started)

That said we are in the midst of a "harvest" so in my opinion we must move to recover the old bales before they go to the landfill or elsewhere ... on this subject and by the way we are still happy that our professional suppliers are not followers of phenoculture ... which is a little paradoxical : Shock:

Because otherwise we could make a cross on all these generous gifts ...
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 05/08/17, 01:32

ChristianC wrote:
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On this point I believe that we are one of the rare ones to do NOTHING.

First of all out of laziness.

But also because (for the moment) we do not see what is the problem with these herbs or wild flowers ...

Is there yes and after?

The generous layer of hay has eradicated 80% and the others coexist with tomatoes, potatoes, zucchini, salads and beans and my faith to date this does not seem to pose the slightest problem ...
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