Manufacturing a cane planting for practitioners phénoculteurs?

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Re: Making a cane to plant for practicing growers?




by Ahmed » 14/12/16, 21:07

Olivier75, you write:
I am encrusted on the subject.

Not at all, you are welcome here! 8)

I see what you mean, these are anti-bun forest pots that we can see here.

For the cane, there is a simpler way than what I started and I intend to go in this direction afterwards; for possible canes to sow, I do not plan to adapt the one to plant, is it possible besides? Planting is done in a bare earth furrow, in principle nothing prevents the use of conventional equipment ...

On the last point, I grant you that we are always someone's cheek and that forms of cooperation are highly desirable; the fact remains that practicing welding a little allows certain things that delegation does not allow (such as tests and trial and error or "flash" repair ...).
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Re: Making a cane to plant for practicing growers?




by olivier75 » 14/12/16, 22:02

Ahmed,
They are the ones there, the least tall, close to 115cm3, which is not the best, today I will rather take the 350, 20 cm high, to allow more time for implantation, the primary root descending very quickly. And it's a bigger water supply.
I had had for a few hundred euros, but in my opinion it is an advantageous system for grouped orders. I specify that I abandon part of my seedlings for several weeks.

Several Cannes are needed.

Didier had put forward the idea of ​​minimizing the opening, I am working on it to optimize the maintenance by favoring only the seeds sown. For the moment, it is not low-cost. But I have a few months left.

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Re: Making a cane to plant for practicing growers?




by Did67 » 14/12/16, 23:38

Ahmed wrote:
On the last point, I grant you that we are always someone's cheek and that forms of cooperation are highly desirable; the fact remains that practicing welding a little allows certain things that delegation does not allow (such as tests and trial and error or "flash" repair ...).


And as far as I'm concerned, I would just add:

a) do not neglect a certain propensity for self-mockery at home ...

b) at my age and having already escaped the "grim reaper" twice, there are even very interesting things, learning, in which I do not invest primarily; but remaining "opportunist", I do not say either!
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Re: Making a cane to plant for practicing growers?




by Ahmed » 15/12/16, 10:50

Fortunately you do not have the monopoly of self-mockery, a highly healthy exercise, which is why I gladly use this term andouille! : Wink:
Of course, there are many interesting things, but as you say, choices have to be made ... : roll:
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Re: Making a cane to plant for practicing growers?




by olivier75 » 18/12/16, 12:40

Ahmed,

Have you advanced on the cane?
I did some research on Google and YouTube.
I do not have a cane and therefore only assume ...

Is the gesture to 'throw' the cane violent, ditto to raise it?
The part to improve seems to me to be the stock of plants and the height of the tube.
For you, a bin slung like we see foresters on YouTube is it a good idea?
A lower entry, author of the hips could help simplify the gesture?
I have an idea so that the beak opens alone when entering the ground with a square beast and the effort to raise the rod blocks it in the open position, do you think that it limits the efforts or that it is useless?
We look forward to seeing you!
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by Ahmed » 18/12/16, 18:08

I did not advance in the realization of this rod, due to unforeseen events, but I should now have more time available to put the forge in heat ... 8)

To answer your questions:
1- No, the movement of penetrating the ground is slow and one cannot speak of "throwing" the tool ... The reassembly is not more difficult.
2- The bin is a good solution; others may be possible in the particular context that is ours: small areas to plant, small access and work distance and no race for yield ...
3- The height of the cane is potentially (from the moment it is self-constructed) adaptable at will, since its length has no influence on the operation.
4- On this video, the principle of a square is used, but it is a seed drill which therefore does not need to maintain the opening until the plant is released; for sowing, some automation is understandable due to the repetitive gesture.
Frankly, I do not think this point is worrying, since there are several simple solutions, effective and easy to control (since manual).
In addition, maintaining in the open position by "the ascent force" remains an improbable hypothesis, unless one of the handles (articulated, therefore) performs this function, but in this case a spring could close the spout, which brings us back to manual control and would therefore only be a possible variant ...

Do you want to make a planting cane?
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by olivier75 » 18/12/16, 20:31

Thank you Ahmed,
I am trying to design one indeed, but the manufacturing will be done later, I am already on the furrow.
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Re: Making a cane to plant for practicing growers?




by Ahmed » 27/12/16, 12:16

Two days ago, I shaped the two hot spouts. This operation did not seem easy to me, because 4 mm sheet is very rigid and difficult to heat (I lack experience in this particular field), since it has a certain width. I therefore do not recommend the manufacture of a version with round beaks, but rather from an angular shape which requires for its assembly only cuts and welds ...
I will continue this realization soon, with photos to illustrate the progression.
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Re: Making a cane to plant for practicing growers?




by Did67 » 27/12/16, 18:45

A few days ago, when setting up the demo in Wintzenheim, I discussed this with Guillaume, the manager, who has experience with a cane of Finnish origin, with a round section tube of 75 mm. We tried it without planting anything on planks that were not worked in 2016. They had done tests on worked soil.

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Finnish planting cane



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Beak details



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The handles and the "locking" mechanism



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The spout seen from the other side / departure of the locking rod


In his experience, rectangular plants that go through the tube tend to "get stuck" askew. It is the mini-clods of pyramidal shape taken in plates that work best: together, we throw the plant a bit like a dart, and it goes very well.

We did a virtual test in unworked soil (rather sandy soil): it fits without problem, it opens without problem thanks to the large pedal with a significant lever.

So it should work.

Guillaume is a little afraid of the smoothing that the beak does when opening, in the bottom of the hole. For my part, I think it should not be worse than what happens in a planting hole made with a dibber ...

The "open spout" lock is very convenient, with a rod that locks automatically. You unlock it with a little help (it is a mechanism comparable to that of the handles of silicone guns).

I filmed a bit. I'll see if I can do a little "private" video.
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Re: Making a cane to plant for practicing growers?




by Ahmed » 27/12/16, 20:56

With a slightly larger diameter, it is the same model on which I am currently inspired; the blocking mechanism has however been simplified, probably for cost reasons ...
For smoothing, it is easy to remedy this by welding a few teeth at the end of the nozzle ...
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