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Re: Lazy Gardener in Loire Atlantique




by phil53 » 20/07/18, 23:12

I had planted 4 bulbils, that is to say an onion of garlic in the shape of a drop of water with a diameter of about 1cm.
The first rotten feet.
The other 3 are on the left in the photo.
The first of reasonable size, nothing to say except that I have not tasted.
The second look good, it is formed in one piece, which makes a respectable piece of garlic of 3,5cm. The problem is that the taste of garlic is not very pronounced and the smell, I would rather say leek.
The third looks like the first unpeeled.
The 4th is a classic stand in the largest (about 3,5cm), on the right it is rather representative of the major part of my harvest. As much to say that it is not great, size 1 to 2cm.
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The following photo is garlic N ° 2 cut
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And this one, a small outgrowth which was under garlic n ° 3 about 5mm in diameter.
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By the way the Colorado potato beetles completely puffed my eggplant foot down to the core.
Harvest of butter beans sown in a correct furrow. I had recharged hay after emergence.

Only my pumpkins have risen, they are lush, I have several that certainly exceed 2kg
I just have 2 feet of zucchini which lacks a little nitrogen because the leaves are slightly yellow. I sowed them in the middle of all kinds of plant debris covered with grass and hay. This piece there had not been cultivated the past years.

Despite a good downpour yesterday and well under the hay it is still rather dry.
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by phil53 » 20/08/18, 23:45

A plot of a family garden has just been allocated to me, phenoculture will be tolerated.
For now my neighbors are watching without comment, they are happy because I collect their weeds which dispenses them from transport.

It is land formerly a market gardener that was clubbed by a company that supposedly brought in land. In fact they packed well and added sand. Why, come on.

The land, 75m2 with some weeds but no bindweed or quackgrass a priori.download / file.php? mode = view & id = 8519

Mounted on the rake, 74kg, it sinks from 4cm to 5cm in 2 different places https://www.econologie.com/forums/download/file.php?mode=view&id=8520
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At a place where I deposited hay for 15 days before my vacation, the rake sinks 6cm (hay removed for the photo) download / file.php? mode = view & id = 8522

Note that before I left on vacation the ground was very dry and the rake sank only 2 to 3cm. It rained during my absence
I hope there are earthworms present. I'm going to plant cabbage and leeks tomorrow. without tillage on the part covered with hay.

Sorry my photos do not appear in the text where they should be.
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Re: Lazy Gardener in Loire Atlantique




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 21/08/18, 01:54

phil53 wrote:A plot of a family garden has just been allocated to me, phenoculture will be tolerated.


This 1st sentence made me jump ...

"Tolerated" ???

What do they fear? Those who tolerate? that the phenoculture gives them cholera ??? Image

I do not see very well what should be "tolerated" in phenoculture ???
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by phil53 » 21/08/18, 10:06

Tolerated because it does not make clean for those accustomed to see the bare earth without anything other than vegetables.
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 21/08/18, 13:15

phil53 wrote:Tolerated because it does not make clean for those accustomed to see the bare earth without anything other than vegetables.


"Not clean" ben thin so my arms fall ...

Didier au secours puts on your mask, cape and hat there is a job on the side of the Loire Atlantique Image
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by Did67 » 21/08/18, 17:20

There are some here too!

Many "internal regulations" of allotment gardens or collective gardens "require" that the ground be kept clean.

Originally, this was to prevent a negligent gardener "sowing" the entire perimeter, because of having left flowering / seeds for example "sows" (Sonchus asper, for example). The regulations generally allow his eviction - especially since there is a waiting list of gardeners willing to keep it clean!

Today, some groups are evolving. Some presidents "promote" an opening towards organic, permaculture or phenoculture ... Others remain fans of the hoe, the tiller and the spade! And his re-elected as an Erdogan !!! That is the demand of the people ??? Let it be neat and tidy! What are the people fighting for? To have the biggest, in high doses of ammonitrate and copper sulphate ...

When I was invited to give a conference "opening" of the general assembly of the Jardins Ouvriers de Sélestat (Bas-Rhin), I was wary of a possible heckling, and I asked the president to guarantee me so that I can express myself freely and "hold" the room if there is a need for it. Everything is very past. Nearly 25 gardeners came to visit my vegetable garden 2 months later!

In the Aravis, people came to get me too ...

So things are moving. Sometimes. Once in a thousand - let's not dream!
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by Did67 » 21/08/18, 17:24

nico239 wrote:
What do they fear? Those who tolerate? that the phenoculture gives them cholera ???



Besides the "flying" seeds of certain weeds - also think of the dandelion or, worse, the true thistle (cirse) whose "parachute" seeds fly very easily ...

The rhizomes of the weeds (bindweed, quackgrass) of the one who lets it go do not stop at the fence of the small plot, inserted in the others ...

But there is also the fear of diseases, via the spores that can be generated by those who do not treat like the others. And then the parasites, beetles or aphids, of the one who does not treat!

These are plagues and cholera from the point of view of the conventional gardener.
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 22/08/18, 02:05

Well then say I was far from imagining that such dictatorships could exist in the gardens ... it's cold in the back. Image
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by Did67 » 22/08/18, 08:31

I believe that when it comes to "managing" a space, a good, a city, a region, a collective garden, a municipality ... etc, the answers are, in principle, always the same! Here we are "progressive", there we are "collectivist", elsewhere it will be a form of democracy, elsewhere a sort of dictatorship. Often, it's the business that decides ...
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 24/08/18, 01:23

You are not going to finish gardening but Crusader if it continues Image
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