Vegetable garden of the (super) lazy in the 04 (800m)

[Did67]

I was not even aware of this trick of burying wood ...
To recreate a forest type decomposition ???

You got a link on that thing?

And, oops, even less aware of the "spiral" ... késaco ???
Well I'll learn about the subject

Ah, I understand, my poor man. You can't understand my "dismay" so ... We were discussing in a vacuum.

It's simple. In your search engine type "permaculture + buttes" and you will have the choice. The majority of people who get caught up in the permaculture fashion think that it is the "must" and make themselves suffer digging, turning upside down, closing ... Some tell me "cash" after having visited my garden [j I remember a man, gray hair like me, that his wife obviously had a little convinced without knowing of her own free will, to make mounds and who at the time of the pot that I happen to take with my visitors, whisper in my ear: "Thank you; I think you convinced my wife and that you saved me a chore!"]

The film "The awakening of permaculture" shows a few sessions. We can see it on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYDmiArlW-Q

Ditto for "permaculture + spirals".

And while you're at it, you type "permaculture + keyhole".

Come on, and to conclude, you type "bio-intensive gardening" and you will not be far from the Everest of mystification ... Destroy everything to supposedly have something top!

You have enough to spend two months ...

And you will have a summary of the "nonsense" promulgated in the name of a "permaculture" which would be the top of ecological gardening, which I try to fight if it is a question of gardening "naturally" and "feed". I have nothing against the decoration, the "landart", the "beautiful" ... But at that time, we say it.

Good luck. And afterwards, you will re-read what I have written. I think you'll understand ...

You will understand :

A) What I meant

b) why it is better not to use the word "permaculture" when it comes to my "way of gardening"

C) it is better to watch my lecture at la Ferté-Bernard to return to earth ... [I know, it's a little pretentious, but after looking at the above, do it anyway, to reframe some things! ]

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Oh I'm late ... ok I will infuse all this ...

For the buttes I knew, at least I think, but since I did not really see the usefulness of making a mound of earth on ... of the earth ah I did not interest myself more than that.

The only "exotic" thing that has attracted my attention to date is the fact that straw boots are placed around the floor space.

And at this moment (maybe I'm worting) I find that this environment can be very practical, easy to set up and cheap to support mini greenhouses in the ground ...

For the rest I inquire ...

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

I started to do my education with the ... buttes ...

It's actually pretty rock'n'roll following the experiences ...

Curious video of a certain Forrer who says in intro "without digging and without turning the ground without plucking the weeds" ... etc and 30 seconds later we see him passing the croc for .... the fork To dig "to remove the herbs, to remove the superficial layer ... mdr

He does the opposite of what he had previously said.

In addition it completely reverses the anaerobic aerobic ratio (good I have a little piled nevertheless ) By putting above the earth that never saw the day .. of the big anything. Honestly with that as a starting point after I zapped.

I also came across those of Damien butts 1 and 2.
Buttes 1 that does not have much to do with the mounds elsewhere and I find globally interesting
Butts 2 (one feels not particularly at ease besides) where he exposes techniques why not but "mulch" ado about nothing "as Shakespeare would have said the gardener.

The keyholes are indeed bobo-illogy, when one sees the rampages of the earth necessary for the placement of the machine

I am more lenient with the spiral because I do not assimilate this to market gardening but to an artificial creation so finally totally off topic.

Wanting to grow beside lavender and tarragon is a bit stupid.
Person I put the tarragon in a shaded corner and lavender in a corner in full cagnard and I break the noose more ...
So I can always make a cave in the spiral so that the tarragon is in the shade or put a roof or the A / C but what good.

I understand better now your "ras le bol"

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

On the other hand I was more sensitive to the info delivered by Gérard Ducerf even if I do not apply since I make holes to the electric auger (fine or adapted) to plant (in gardening and market gardening - unlike my wife ) So I necessarily drove the bazaar in aerobic-anaerobic balance, only consolation I only do it on 5cm of diameter and 15cm of depth ... Nobody's perfect

This being said his knowledge of plants and their actions in-for soil (in addition to their bio indications ... to handle in moderation) appear sensible to me although I totally ignore whether one can give credence to these notions aerobic -anerobic ... etc

Being scientific (I believe) you must be able to better judge of these theories.

[olivier75]

Nico239,
The closest YouTube videos are those of François Mulet, although he works with straw, the approach to culture is close. These are the videos associated with msv which one can pull out the most teaching for our way of doing.
Less close but useful, Jean Martin Fortier.
In my opinion of course.
Olivier.

[Did67]

I understand better now your "ras le bol"

It is not a "fed up": it is a Great punishment to see thousands and thousands of people convinced by this headless (scientific) prechi-precha, that's how it should be done! And this in the name of very good principles, which I am the first to defend. I call this a "hoax".

So, since I owe nothing to anyone, I open my mouth and I say what I wrote above ... As I type with two fingers, it is shortened and therefore often brutal!

And I fight against "idiotic permaculture", well what I allow myself to qualify thus. In the days when I'm pretentious, I pretend to do "permaculture free of all its bullshit".

But to avoid mischief from the start, I never use the term permaculture, therefore connoted "idiocy" to me, to describe what I do and I always correct those who present me that way - just so people don't look at me. / read me not with blinders, but with "hungry neurons".

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

This is very good so this is what I was saying in opening the subject ....

We are open, we look everywhere, we listen to everything, we reflect, we are interested, we retain our critical spirit and our free will, we diversify our sources, we ask for advice, we discuss with Ms Then adapt, adapt, test, experiment, make in his sauce according to his means (taken in all the meanings of the term) and above all we get PLEASURE ... Épicétou

I am going to consult the videos of Ms Fortier and Mulet ... thank you ...

For now I have an appointment with the beekeeper for his installation of hives ...

[sicetaitsimple]

I am going to consult the videos of Ms Fortier and Mulet ... thank you ...

Jean-Martin Fortier, it's been a long time since I said it regularly and I read his book before knowing this forum, for me it's a reference. Nothing or not much to do with the phenoculture except the importance of organic matter, it is a market gardener but I really think that there are many practical things to remember by reading or reading listening, almost whatever its system, its surface, .... In addition I find the guy nice, with his feet on the ground, ...

Mullet yes, to watch. From time to time it seems to me to leave a little way uncontrolled ... If I can give you advice, it's more to watch videos where he is on his farm than those where he is in a classroom.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Ok to ac thank you ...

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Some photos .... (while listening to F. Mulet ... exciting)

straw



mowing



An ancient aerial view of the terrain to better understand part of its history ... sport


The outdoor vegetable garden is located on a part of the old off-road trail (not to be confused with the access path in white), fortunately practiced by 1 or 2 people, which gives an idea of ​​the settlement of the ground .
The greenhouse is installed in the bottom left part of the photo and to the left of the track.
To the right of the current access road is for cows and hives.


2 methods

Mine electric auger ... because of the hardness of the ground I sometimes had trouble getting started is saying.
About fifteen centimeters deep, from the soil at the bottom and the clod.



That of my wife posed or "depressed" of 1cm or 2







Well in the end at this moment at the level of development and growth laid or planted is kif kif

General view of the greenhouse currently:
me - the tomatoes in the center planted
My wife - the exteriors of all cultures: posed or semi-posed




The exteriors





Coriander chicory and ... thistles







A little oak in the crops



Salad and thistles



"My" tomatoes ... more watering since ... about 1 months ... (no dogma on the question, when I see that they need it I will intervene but for now no soucy)
Honestly planted buried or laid no difference to date.



A general view in the other direction



A young cricket




The outdoor vegetable garden

Watering tomato idem greenhouse: as it is necessary there are 1 months and since nothing more, the next when they will sign
The rest: cabbage and cie 1 watering at the plantation 15 days ago
Potatoes of the day: nothing, it has rained very abundantly these last days and under the straw on the ground it was largely sufficiently wet





(By my wife, me it swells a little), there of course buried, the duct-hole is made to the weight and chisel (as in the greenhouse)



Lettuce, tomatoes and wild herbs



Tomato and bean



The potatoes were made today 3 / 4 laid and 1 / 4 planted 4 / 5 cm underground (I do resistance)

asked



And all very generously covered (whether laid or buried)