Finally a garden! Where to start ?

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by Moindreffor » 18/09/18, 13:10

hay is also sold in bundles of 12 to 15 kg very practical to transport, for example on my 32m2 I use 8 boots, well I'm lucky to be delivered for free
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 20/09/18, 00:28

MadameOurs wrote:Thank you for the welcome and all the advice, it's a great first for me to get started without really mastering my subject ...
The beans is a good idea. I am under observation of the field, I note the shadows during the day. Knowing that a house is built next door and that its fence may change the situation.
I wonder how to have several pieces of garden in the garden will be manageable!

I followed the advice of Moindreffor and ordered low grass seedlings, to green a little all that. I look on the corner hay ads, I wonder if it's worth it because I do not need enough to be delivered and in my car I certainly will not load enough?


To have both straw and hay the advantage of hay is that a bunch is ... light.

The evidence Ms. stole a good part of my boots ... from hay and she did it all by herself Image : unthinkable thing with straw

On the other hand you are right that takes up space.

You must either have a suitable vehicle or why not rent one now: 11m3 at 17 € for half a day for 50km, is that reflected?
And in there you put haystacks.
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by MadameOurs » 02/03/19, 13:20

Here I am back, after many adventures ...
First of all, children who already have an incredible time and are full of surprises
Construction then, and there for the vegetable garden it was frankly complicated.

So I had sown my meadow at the end of the year, and I discovered that birds are not the only ones to take their share. Columns of ants landed and I saw my little seeds carried away I don't know where!
Well, it still grew.

Then the neighbor's spinning truck turned around on my beautiful, fresh meadow ...

I also sowed spinach and beans, as soon as I came out, the facadiers covered them with plaster ...

There are 3 garlic and 2 onions left in the ground.
As I am tenacious, with my kid we sowed tomatoes and aubergines in terrines, it worked super well, I end up with lots of small shoots to transplant in pots that I don't have (yet). And since my son thinks it's great, he made me buy seeds of lots of things, I'll have to insure!

My question is still around the hay supply. I have noted the surface area to quantity ratio of @Moindreffor and the idea of ​​renting a truck from @ Nico239.

But: I'm afraid of spending money and time (and I don't really have both) to ultimately miss my vegetables ...
I was wondering if I could start with local resources. I have a kind of wild meadow not mine but I have to maintain. It is an area with grass and canes from Provence.
I can also easily get horse droppings.

Could it be in place of hay?
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by to be chafoin » 02/03/19, 15:32

In my opinion yes, the canes are woody, you can mix them with the grass (nitrogenous) to obtain the equivalent of hay. In reality the field you are talking about is surely a natural meadow, the herbs and plants that grow on it are therefore potentially hay! So all you have to do is find the means (rotofil, scythe, shears ...) to mow this and do it at the right time: you have to monitor the weather and as soon as it is announced a window of 3 days of sunshine then you can mow and let the "herbs" dry on the ground during these 3 days. Your hay will then be ready to be spread on your plot on a good covering thickness.

The dung will also be a good fertilizer "ferment" that you can add as is.

If you have not done anything for the moment the soil at the location of your future vegetable garden must already be covered by vegetation, so I advise you to put something on your soil as soon as possible in order to subdue the most dense vegetation (grasses) which may otherwise take time to degrade. But don't worry either: last year I managed to open new plots by putting hay from the beginning of April and I was able to succeed in some crops like that.
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by Moindreffor » 02/03/19, 16:29

for small balls, it is easily transported in a trunk, with 6 to 8 balls, you will have like me to cover 30 to 40 m2 which is more than enough to start
so it's up to you to find little balls : Mrgreen:
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 02/03/19, 19:06

MadameOurs wrote:But: I'm afraid of spending money and time (and I don't really have both) to ultimately miss my vegetables ...
I was wondering if I could start with local resources. I have a kind of wild meadow not mine but I have to maintain. It is an area with grass and canes from Provence.
I can also easily get horse droppings.

Could it be in place of hay?



Don't worry: Rome was not built in a day.

Better a small well-managed vegetable garden than a big anything : Mrgreen:

Try to see the maximum area you think you can take care of and reduce it by a third: at least that way you are sure to succeed.

And you will always be in time to increase it.

For your grass fields my faith if you can cut everything and put everything on your future vegetable garden does not hesitate a second.

You put your horse manure in your vegetable patch
You put your grass cups on it and if it doesn't rain you water a little so that it is wet
And that's all.
And in May you transplant in by spreading your herbs.

Personally I will keep the canes preciously to make tutors later but I would not break the bowl to crush them: I know well and I know that these things are tough.
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by phil53 » 02/03/19, 19:29

Do not be too ambitious in terms of surface and be generous in thickness. Anything vegetable can be useful when you have no hay. It is sometimes a source of deficiency but in the end it grows.
Of course hay is the best.
The first year focuses on easy planting. Zucchini, tomatoes, cabbage, large plant potatoes. If you want to sow choose large seeds, beans, beans ... The first year can be disappointing if you want to do things like carrots and small seedlings. It requires mastery.
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by MadameOurs » 17/03/19, 11:01

So thank you very much for this precious advice and sharing of experience! You even answer the questions that I had not dared to ask : Mrgreen:

This morning I almost went to look for hay (3 euros for a small bale of hay for the garden on "lecoincoin") but Mr. Ours refused that I carry it in the car without a tarpaulin.

So I press so that he mows quickly, but it depends on the machine of beautiful dad.

In short, we are moving forward, but slowly!
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by Moindreffor » 17/03/19, 11:56

MadameOurs wrote:So thank you very much for this precious advice and sharing of experience! You even answer the questions that I had not dared to ask : Mrgreen:

This morning I almost went to look for hay (3 euros for a small bale of hay for the garden on "lecoincoin") but Mr. Ours refused that I carry it in the car without a tarpaulin.

So I press so that he mows quickly, but it depends on the machine of beautiful dad.

In short, we are moving forward, but slowly!

buy a tarpaulin at 5 € and you will be independent from Monsieur and handsome dad, long live independence, long live the freedom to cultivate : Mrgreen:
3 € is honest as price, with me it's 2.50
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by MadameOurs » 17/03/19, 13:42

Absolutely !
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