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by elephant » 17/09/14, 14:47

Relevant.

A partial track could be to put a pump and use it for the toilet, right?
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by Grelinette » 17/09/14, 15:01

elephant wrote:Relevant.
A partial track could be to put a pump and use it for the toilet, right?

Indeed, one could imagine that each individual swimming pool built must be connected to a secondary water network of the house which is nearby, with a two-pass valve and possibly a summary filtration, for uses like toilets, l , washing the car or equipment.

This simple measure seems easy to implement when it is planned for the construction of the house or swimming pool and would save a few m3.

That said, this solution does not solve the global problem of swimming pools full all winter and emptied at once to be cleaned, then re-filled in stride for the summer.
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by elephant » 17/09/14, 15:39

I successfully use unfiltered water for my toilets. I chose not to invest in filters and not to use tank water for laundry: in any case, my roof does not produce enough (specific case, I am aware of this)

on the other hand, I am not very hot at the idea of ​​watering the pool water (especially since in September and October, I think it is not necessary)
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by Did67 » 17/09/14, 18:53

It has been said above: water is not expensive enough!

And if some people start to worry, in our countries, on average, there is enough water. The proof is that companies make substantial profits while supplying good quality (potable) water in quantity at a ridiculous price ...

As long as we had iron ore in Lorraine, no one thought of recycling car carcasses!

So it is not expensive enough to prevent wasting it ...

Quna don could use it to water, it is sunny and warm: we want to use our pool!

Other recycling (car wash, WC) would require intermediate storage, so a frost-free tank, the capacity of a few m3 maximum would be unrelated to that of a swimming pool (a few tens of m3) ...

It would be a stroke of the sword in the water!

It remains to be regulated. And to flee the owners of these deumers in Belgium, where it would not be regulated the same ???

But let's go to the end:

- in many areas, the demand generated by the swimming pools does not "over-demand" the installations

- something else are "tourist" areas: there, the installations must be sized according to the peak of dmeande; and there, the swimming pools contribute to a price increase that everyone pays!

- but we always remember that our main water consumption is that which goes unnoticed: it is industrial water, indirectly contained in our consumer products. How much liter a car? A can of beer? A kg of beef? A kg of refined sugar ??? So no need to tackle a straw when there are such beams!
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by elephant » 17/09/14, 19:00

Did 67 said:

It has been said above: water is not expensive enough!


Ben .....

anyway: I pay around 2,6 € / m3 + 1,54 € / m³ purification tax + 6% VAT, but what kills is the price of the first liter: 2 fees of 50 euros: that water and that of purification.

So my tank saves me 50% of the volume of water, but not 50% of the price! : Evil:

when I think that an executive from the SWDE (Walloon company for water distribution) confessed to me in private that 50% was lost in the network!

Did 67 also said:

and there, the pools contribute to an increase in prices that everyone pays!


Since you still have to "chlorinate" them, what prevents them from filling them with rainwater?
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by Did67 » 18/09/14, 07:01

1) Don't get me wrong: when I say that water is not expensive enough, here, in this thread, I mean verbatim: "water is not expensive enough in the budget of a large proportion of households who have been able to acquire a swimming pool and can therefore without thinking fill a 50 m3 swimming pool without this leading them to think about alternatives for water ".

[at the price you indicate, the filling will cost less than 200 euros; I say that such a quantity of water for so little incites to crime, that is to say not to ask questions; not to resort to mutualisation - collective swimming pools; etc ... Basically, the installation will cost 10 euros; so we can see that for whoever made this investment, the cost of water is not a problem]

I'm not saying that:

a) no one has a problem paying their bill

b) this is reason enough not to save money ...

2) Filling with rainwater

I do not have a swimming pool, but it seems to me that they are emptied to avoid freezing and that it does not clog (dead leaves, algae ...). It is therefore necessary to fill in spring, when the beautiful season arrives ...

However, a medium roof does not allow such a volume of water to collect. What's more in a short time.

700 mm of rain on a roof with a flat surface of 100 m², that makes 70 m3 in one year. Most of them in fall / winter!

3) There are real alternatives: install "natural bathing" that is to say, a kind of pond, with filtering borders (phyto-purification), which can actually be filled with rainwater, in which we tolerate life, frogs, leaves, which are healthy, not chlorinated, that we do not empty ...

But this is not the Hollywood dream of the sky blue "Malibu" swimming pool !!!

For the majority of people, it is: "yuck !!!" [while there is nothing healthier than water without chlorine ... or swimming with a frog - excellent indicator of "cleanliness"]

This movement has developed a little in Germany, less in France, where the swimming pool, let's be clear, is also a bit of "display" (like cars). We do not reason that "utility / efficiency", otherwise it would be known!
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by Did67 » 18/09/14, 07:10

Attention, for those interested, a "natural swimming pool" is not a pond with cags. It can even become very very technical:

http://www.be-green.com/fr/news/eco/aut ... relle-_42/

http://www.baignade-ecologique.com/der_naturteich.html

http://www.bioteich.fr/

[Beware of "green washing" on these sites; I put them without ads, just to show what it is!]
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by chatelot16 » 18/09/14, 10:38

there is no shortage of water in France ... properly used water returns to its natural circuit

if it is necessary to speak of ecology, what must be reduced is the quantity of polluting product added to the water

is water expensive? at my house it's free, it falls from the sky

it does not prevent me from also having a swimming pool, which I never empty, which I do not treat in winters: it becomes a pool with frogs

2 independent pool so that one serves as a reserve of chlorine-free water, and a refuge for the aniamux which desert the chlorinated part in summer

detail I do not use chlorine pastille with trichloroisocyanuric acid which we fail to accumulate a product in water ... I electrolyse the salt in an independent device, and there is only pure chlorine which go into the pool
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by Did67 » 18/09/14, 11:03

You will make me regret having abandoned my project!
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by Did67 » 18/09/14, 11:04

chatelot16 wrote:
at my house it's free, it falls from the sky

that doesn't prevent me from also having a swimming pool, which I never empty, which I don't treat in winters ...


That's what I said above: it's not a blue "Malibu" pool !!!
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