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Re: Compost / nettle manure / watering




by Grelinette » 18/11/17, 15:45

Lolounette wrote:It will become profitable as soon as we pay the right price for the treatment of our waste: this is it I spent this year billing in part according to the number of garbage collection per year. 22% of my household waste tax (TOM) will now be calculated on the basis of € 3 23 for the lifting of a green bin of 120 l of non-recyclable waste and € 0,96 for the yellow bin of recyclable (boxes , plastic, etc.) ...
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the day it will cost an arm to put organic waste in the trash people will organize themselves to find less expensive treatment solutions, I have no doubt the top! it will then become profitable for all of us to entrust our organic waste to the horse-drawn carriage or the electric bicycle if we have no vegetable garden : Wink:


The organization of waste management is a real question which requires the opening of another debate! (which also exists perhaps on econology). But to say that it becomes profitable from the moment when we are going to pay a tax seems exaggerated to me ... except perhaps for the one who collects the tax! : Cheesy:

But a new tax also has the perverse effect of trying to escape from it, such as certain recycling centers that charge rubble ... which we find dumped in ditches and in the countryside (this is very common in the PACA region) .
Ditto for the recycling centers which limit the contribution of green waste to 1 trip per day, which pushes some to throw their mowing of lawn, bags of autumn leaves and other sizes of hedges directly in the trash container at the corner of their street .
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by Lolounette » 18/11/17, 21:06

it's not a new tax, the TOM we already pay it all either directly by property taxes if we own or by charges if we are a tenant ... it's just that at the moment it is arbitrarily set in depending on the value of the home and that the day or everyone will pay it according to the waste that is produced it may change the situation!


and this day is near! : Wink:
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by oli 80 » 18/11/17, 21:41

Good evening, here are two videos on compost and its capacity to heat that we know (Jean Pain project) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBYAYMrshz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP1M7jrkrQ0
it could be useful for heating a greenhouse in winter and continuing to garden and produce vegetables
this avoids having to use oil or gas or even electric heating for the greenhouse, this gardening method is used in Canada just like the Jean Pain project
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by Did67 » 18/11/17, 21:43

izentrop wrote:
Did67 wrote: anaerobic digestion: the use of digestates is possible
The problem is that the nitrogen is in mineral form, washable and the carbon has disappeared.
As this is all the energy necessary for the life of the soil, look for the error : Shock:
It is therefore contrary to phenoculture.


My sentence is in context: I wanted to say that if it is mandatory to sanitize products from slaughterhouses or agro-food industries using meat products, it is not when we methanize manure or plant waste . There is therefore every reason to believe that their spreading on the surface would not pose any health regulatory problem.

I do not intend, in this thread, to defend anaerobic digestion rather than the recovery of waste to cover the soil. I spend my video time discussing this forum or from conference to conference to defend the surface decomposition of household waste. I am not schizophrenic!
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by Did67 » 18/11/17, 21:47

Grelinette wrote:
But the problem remains that despite all the interest of this urban service, it is not economically profitable!
Its "economic model" (or "business model" to put it more seriously) does not correspond to the current "fashion" which wants everything to be profitable and generate juicy profits.



Currently, organic waste is collected. Sometimes with others. Sometimes separately.

So it's already paid!

Often, when organic waste is collected separately, it is transported quite far away, on composting platforms. Spreading them on market garden areas at the edge of town would reduce costs - and therefore, theoretically, taxes! [I say theoretically, because without a doubt they will go elsewhere ...]
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