Hello Martian, we meet ...
I think like you, and I also watched this program ... which was interesting ... the only concern I find is that we talk, we talk, we recognize the errors but during this time the errors are irreversible, and these leaders know it and take advantage of it ... that's why it becomes urgent not to let these errors be made ... which are often often just because irreversible ...
We have to go on the attack now ...
What is the monsanto 810?
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Mon 810 is a genetically modified corn:
Monsanto researchers have inserted into the DNA of this corn a gene coding for the production of the toxin Bt, which kills insects which venture to eat it (and in particular the European corn borer, small butterfly whose larvae feed .... corn).
This gene comes from the DNA of a bacteria, Bacillus thurengiensis (Bt for simplicity), which is naturally pathogenic for European moths.
Apparently, the expression of this gene is not constant over time or from one plant to another, but is sufficient to achieve the objective: reduce or even eliminate the phytosanitary treatments necessary to fight against the European moth.
Of course, as with conventional products, "collateral" damage is present (other species of insects are also affected).
And it is a safe bet that resistance will appear in the populations of European moth and then the consequences are difficult to predict: the natural balance between the European moths and the Bt will be broken and very clever who can predict what happens next!
GMOs are a box of PANDORE (more ...).
Monsanto researchers have inserted into the DNA of this corn a gene coding for the production of the toxin Bt, which kills insects which venture to eat it (and in particular the European corn borer, small butterfly whose larvae feed .... corn).
This gene comes from the DNA of a bacteria, Bacillus thurengiensis (Bt for simplicity), which is naturally pathogenic for European moths.
Apparently, the expression of this gene is not constant over time or from one plant to another, but is sufficient to achieve the objective: reduce or even eliminate the phytosanitary treatments necessary to fight against the European moth.
Of course, as with conventional products, "collateral" damage is present (other species of insects are also affected).
And it is a safe bet that resistance will appear in the populations of European moth and then the consequences are difficult to predict: the natural balance between the European moths and the Bt will be broken and very clever who can predict what happens next!
GMOs are a box of PANDORE (more ...).
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And in addition the mutation of the insect can be extremely rapid. It is enough that some insects more resistant than the others survive, it then reproduces between them and they all become resistant. Only solution then increase the doses. But the problem remains, the most resistant hold, reproduce, and so on ...
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To clarify what to write highflyaddict , because it is an important argument of pro-GMOs:
The bacillus thurengiensis gene encodes a protein that becomes toxic inside the digestive tract of insects, but only part of this gene is introduced into corn, hence a different effect. While natural bt kills the moth and slows sesame (another pest of corn), corn bt kills these two varieties of insect, which shows that there is no equivalence. We can rightly worry about the effects of the dissemination of foreign pollen, when we know that the expression of the same gene is very variable depending on the place it occupies in the genome.
The bacillus thurengiensis gene encodes a protein that becomes toxic inside the digestive tract of insects, but only part of this gene is introduced into corn, hence a different effect. While natural bt kills the moth and slows sesame (another pest of corn), corn bt kills these two varieties of insect, which shows that there is no equivalence. We can rightly worry about the effects of the dissemination of foreign pollen, when we know that the expression of the same gene is very variable depending on the place it occupies in the genome.
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Good evening everyone,
Thank you for these answers, and more .. so I understand what you are saying, and I wonder what is the fertilizer that we are using at the moment to counter this Bacillus? and others, if there is ..? do you know the different types of fertilizers that we use in agriculture, and in particular for corn?
Regarding mutations, I also think it can be very fast, we have many examples that can show that nature can change very quickly ....
Ahmed good evening, question:
sesame is an insect, or a fungus, or a virus, or whatever, that eats away at the corn ..? When you say "natural Bt kills the ..", what is natural Bt)
Thank you for preventing me from sleeping silly ...
Thank you for these answers, and more .. so I understand what you are saying, and I wonder what is the fertilizer that we are using at the moment to counter this Bacillus? and others, if there is ..? do you know the different types of fertilizers that we use in agriculture, and in particular for corn?
Regarding mutations, I also think it can be very fast, we have many examples that can show that nature can change very quickly ....
Ahmed good evening, question:
sesame is an insect, or a fungus, or a virus, or whatever, that eats away at the corn ..? When you say "natural Bt kills the ..", what is natural Bt)
Thank you for preventing me from sleeping silly ...
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Hello,
@ pombo508: I don't understand your first paragraph. Corn is originally a tropical plant demanding heat and water. Aside from a few locally adapted varieties, the culture of corn in France is generally heresy. The hybrid varieties developed for its distribution are very greedy in water (pumping of the water table), in fertilizer and in phyto (water pollution), another consequence, the erosion of the grounds which remain too long naked with this culture. All this mainly to feed livestock! It is also necessary to know, to hope to understand something there, that this energetic food is poor in proteins, and that, since the agreement of Gatt we are forced import protein supplements from the USA (soybean meal). So there is a link between corn production and soybean imports.
GMO corn is therefore a continuation of a certain agricultural policy, even if there is a change of scale in harmfulness.
To answer your questions, sesame is an insect that currently rages in the southwest, the historic basin of corn farming in France: http://www.le-mag.fr/actualites-agricol ... -38-3.html
Bt is the abbreviation of bacillus thurengiensis, the bacteria from which a piece of the gene was taken.
You should know that Monsanto is not the only producer of GMOs: other American seed companies such as Pioneer and Syngenta are in the same “niche”. [/ B]
@ pombo508: I don't understand your first paragraph. Corn is originally a tropical plant demanding heat and water. Aside from a few locally adapted varieties, the culture of corn in France is generally heresy. The hybrid varieties developed for its distribution are very greedy in water (pumping of the water table), in fertilizer and in phyto (water pollution), another consequence, the erosion of the grounds which remain too long naked with this culture. All this mainly to feed livestock! It is also necessary to know, to hope to understand something there, that this energetic food is poor in proteins, and that, since the agreement of Gatt we are forced import protein supplements from the USA (soybean meal). So there is a link between corn production and soybean imports.
GMO corn is therefore a continuation of a certain agricultural policy, even if there is a change of scale in harmfulness.
To answer your questions, sesame is an insect that currently rages in the southwest, the historic basin of corn farming in France: http://www.le-mag.fr/actualites-agricol ... -38-3.html
Bt is the abbreviation of bacillus thurengiensis, the bacteria from which a piece of the gene was taken.
You should know that Monsanto is not the only producer of GMOs: other American seed companies such as Pioneer and Syngenta are in the same “niche”. [/ B]
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Thank you Ahmed for these details which attest to your knowledge in the field.
So we import US soybean meal, therefore GMO soybean that feed cattle that we eat.
So we already eat GMOs?
Is this link between corn production and soybean imports one of the elements to be taken into account, at WTO / GATT level, in order to understand the change in government direction since the Grenelle de l'Environnement in terms of GMOs?
So we import US soybean meal, therefore GMO soybean that feed cattle that we eat.
So we already eat GMOs?
Is this link between corn production and soybean imports one of the elements to be taken into account, at WTO / GATT level, in order to understand the change in government direction since the Grenelle de l'Environnement in terms of GMOs?
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Re: What is Monsanto 810?
pombo508 wrote:...............
do you have any info on this Monsanto 810?
Monsanto's MON810 corn patent can be downloaded from:
http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPOD ... 2002102582[/ Quote]
In the USA, patents fall into the public domain after 17 years, a fairly short period for an agricultural product. It is likely to fall into the public domain long before it has imposed itself.
Monsanto files a lot of patents, but I haven't seen a single one that claims to protect the environment or fight hunger in the world, of course.
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