A vegetable lazy in Charente-Maritime

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Re: A vegetable garden in Charente-Maritime




by denis17 » 31/08/17, 16:12

No, I am on a well-ventilated hill, but it must be said that the Charente river is only a few hundred meters away. But I do not think that the problem at this period comes from there, I will rather look at the acacias of the neighbor (and maybe also my pile of wood) which make shade in the garden in the early morning, I have to j 'Look a little closer for next year and maybe move all or part of the tomato feet in order to maximize my sunshine.
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by Did67 » 31/08/17, 18:01

denis17 wrote:
I will rather look at the neighbor's acacias (and maybe also my stack of wood) which shade the garden in the early morning, I need to look a little closer for next year and may be moving all or part of the tomato feet in order to maximize my sunshine.
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Bingo: look no further! Last year, my tomatoes located in the shade of raspberries in the morning were "shot" long before the others ...

I raise the issue in my last video!

Tomato location = where the sun first hits in the morning! And 50% of mildew problems are resolved.
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by denis17 » 04/09/17, 15:33

After a little visualization in the morning, I will change the location of the tomato feet, a 10 m drop, the sun will hit it a little earlier in the morning, and it will also move them away from the neighboring vineyard and fig tree.
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Re: A vegetable garden in Charente-Maritime




by denis17 » 02/01/18, 12:38

Hello and all my best wishes to all for this year 2018.
The year 2017 was for me the year 0 of the transition to phenoculture. Small summary of this past year.
The tomatoes, planted too late (like many things) gave properly and were enough to feed me from August 15th. Right next to it, watermelons, which sprouted on their own (seeds thrown on the ground last year) gave me 4 beautiful pieces that made 24 jam jars. The garlic, onions and shallots, well gone, have almost all melted, only 1/4 of the onions have survived, and fortunately, I took advantage of the hawk at the beginning of the year.
The strawberries, transplanted in the short, have vegetated.
The few raspberries planted in the year gave some fruits eaten on site, the best.
The radishes, carrots, despite several tests have yielded nothing.
The result on salads was average, many were eaten before maturity, but those that survived were very good.
The trial of potatoes under hay gave mixed results, the seed was not of a high quality, and I think I was a little too forced on the contribution of lawn mowing.
The zucchini (long. And round) was sufficient for my consumption. The rounds were crunched by the first attack of late blight, while the long ones escaped and continued to produce.
I also made patisses which produced well, even if they were mostly small.
Many homemade seedlings did not have time to deliver their fruit due to late planting (melons, eggplants)
A few missed also in the seedlings, peppers and artichokes that never came out, but there, it is also possible that the sachets of seeds are involved, with all reservations of course.
More on a future post.
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by denis17 » 31/01/18, 18:12

And some photos from early January.
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As usual, and starting from the left, in the top corner of the photo, in front of the wooden panel, a small row of raspberries transplanted it in mid November, the ground was very dry, and we had to dig in, I did not think that they would resume, but it is last days, buds appeared. Then in the garden, a bunch of brf, with strawberry plants next to it.
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On this second photo, on the left we see the few remaining crops, broccoli and black radishes (inedible because they bite), but that makes nice roots and will be used as fertilizer.
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And finally the extension of the garden, the daffodils have grown there since, and the stumps uprooted last weekend.

Finally, in terms of soil degradation, a small improvement a priori, not always easy to judge well. And the hay bales have arrived, I wait before unrolling them. Having something to do, I want to extend what has not served me on strawberries and raspberries.
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Re: A vegetable garden in Charente-Maritime




by sicetaitsimple » 31/01/18, 19:58

Good evening Denis,

I had not seen your "2017 balance sheet", I discovered it by seeing the post of this evening. A little disappointing, can we sum it up like this?

I ran through this thread to remember the route from the start.

Personally, it reinforces my conviction (cf. recent discussion about the "grandma" project on the main thread) that starting with BRF and even more with false BRF is still very complicated and very risky (except and I will repeat myself to "mulch" perennial crops already in place).

Well, it will almost certainly improve. Happy vegetable year 2018!
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by Did67 » 01/02/18, 11:34

YES and YES.

Yes, it is the classic phenomenon of depressive effect. What do many supporters of "permacultural mounds" know (if they are honest or if they do not have the naivety to be satisfied with a few feet of puny, yellowish vegetables, as I see that in some videos).

And yes, the soil mechanics correct that in about 3 years. This year will already be better: as explained to Julienmos, initially nitrogen is used both for the growth of the population of soil organisms (which need it for proteins, DNA / RNA and some other molecules) and is incorporated into the humus, in the C / N is much lower (about 15) than that of woody substances (false BRF: 150 to 300). After a year, the growth of microorganisms is finished: they "recycle" themselves. Those who are born feed on those who die. Only the second phenomenon is still playing a little. A third year, the essential has been "humified" ...

And next year, it may be great - especially wherever you put legumes; in this soil that is hungry for nitrogen, the symbiotic fixation can reach or exceed 200 units of N per ha / year.

You will confirm that to us.
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by denis17 » 01/02/18, 12:38

No problem, I will continue to follow up. : Wink:
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by denis17 » 02/02/18, 11:54

sicetaitsimple wrote:Good evening Denis,

I had not seen your "2017 balance sheet", I discovered it by seeing the post of this evening. A little disappointing, can we sum it up like this?

I ran through this thread to remember the route from the start.

Personally, it reinforces my conviction (cf. recent discussion about the "grandma" project on the main thread) that starting with BRF and even more with false BRF is still very complicated and very risky (except and I will repeat myself to "mulch" perennial crops already in place).

Well, it will almost certainly improve. Happy vegetable year 2018!


Hello sicetaitsisimple
Disappointing, I wouldn't say, the disappointment comes above all from an objective that we could not have met, and as I had no objectives (year 0), no disappointment.
Lots of missed, it's on (radish, carrots), some good things (tomatoes, zucchini) and all these sowing done too late (it's my fault, my very big fault : Oops: ) and therefore planted too late and which did not give. To add to this list the practically no watering.
This year I promise to be attentive to all this, I still put a damper on watering.
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by sicetaitsimple » 02/02/18, 12:46

denis17 wrote:.... and all these sowing done too late (it's my fault, my very big fault : Oops: ) and therefore planted too late and which did not give.


I'm at the same point as you on the seedlings! Except that I was rather early, but it is not necessarily better! You can learn all this!

Good success this year.
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