Blow against bio-dynamics

[izentrop]

When it comes to defining life, we are still far from it, amha ....

It is however clear https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vie

[dede2002]

When it comes to defining life, we are still far from it, amha ....

It is however clear https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vie

Yep, the day we understand everything, we'll know not to die ...

All those who died were alive very shortly before, is there a measurable chemical or physical difference at this time?

[izentrop]

Yes, the lack of oxygen causes the most vital cells to die irreversibly within minutes.
Then another form of life sets up to convert organic matter back into plant nutrients.
This virtuous cycle is delayed for humans treated for burial, that's why the humus would be real progress.

[dede2002]

A few minutes after ok, but at the instant t the molecules are identical.

[Janic]

izentrop wrote:

dede2002 wrote:
When it comes to defining life, we are still far from it, amha ....

It is however clear https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vie

Wikipedia has a hard time defining what life is by confusing it with the living. In fact, the living has within it the phenomenon of life often called vital energy or vital principle and other appellations as approximate as each other.
For comparison it's like talking about a lit bulb, or the bulb is not the light itself, it only serves to manifest this light or a musical instrument is not music, but does not only serves to manifest this one too. So life is seen by what carries it, nothing more!

[izentrop]

A few minutes after ok, but at the instant t the molecules are identical.

There is no precise time T. Cardiac arrest is the critical moment beyond which to act quickly, as brain cells will perish first.
In humans, it is considered that it is when the brain is too damaged for life to start again without too many consequences. Nobody wants a vegetable life.
If this is the case, there is a problem of determination, indeed between medicine and the family of the "comatose".

[izentrop]

Wikipedia has a hard time defining what life is

No, it cannot be described in one word, but the definition is correct.

the life phenomenon often called vital energy or vital principle

This is the vitalist definition that gek has very well deciphered in your point of view.

[Janic]

janic wrote: Wikipedia has a hard time defining what life is

No, it cannot be described in one word, but the definition is correct.

It is like defining god exactly but which cannot be described in one word. I doubt that you have the same approach there.
But the definition defines nothing, it revolves around the bush and it's nothing new since for millennia philosophers as scholars have broken their teeth

janic wrote: the life phenomenon often called vital energy or vital principle

This is the vitalist definition that gek has very well deciphered in your point of view.

You have to read everything and therefore quote: " the life phenomenon often called vital energy or vital principle and other names as approximate as each other. "Ie including what Wikipedia says about it and others.
I know that you take for imbeciles all that does not share your beliefs, but this vital energy, which supports the Eastern philosophy, is one of the great principles of acupuncture, older and effective than our recent chemical medicine in many case; allowing, for example, surgical operations without anesthesia and without drugs.

[izentrop]

this vital energy, which is supported by Eastern philosophy, is one of the main principles of acupuncture, older and more effective than our recent chemical medicine in many cases; allowing, for example, surgical operations without anesthesia and without drugs.

It is important to realize that acupuncture was practiced at a time when there was no knowledge of physiology, biochemistry, or healing mechanisms. If a person was sick, treated with acupuncture, and their condition improved, it was assumed that the treatment was the real cause of the improvement.

At the beginning of the 20th century, traditional Chinese medicine was rather considered as a historical oddity and its use was mainly rural. The Chinese Communist Party showed antipathy towards it, ridiculed it by placing it on the shelf of superstitions, irrational and backward ...

It was Mao who revived traditional medicines to have a better grip on the people http://www.charlatans.info/acupuncture2.php

[Janic]

recent in many cases; allowing, for example, surgical operations without anesthesia and without drugs.

It is important to realize that acupuncture was practiced at a time when there was no knowledge of physiology, biochemistry, or healing mechanisms. If a person was sick, treated with acupuncture, and their condition improved, it was assumed that the treatment was the real cause of the improvement.
At the beginning of the 20th century, traditional Chinese medicine was rather considered as a historical oddity and its use was mainly rural. The Chinese Communist Party showed antipathy towards it, ridiculed it by placing it on the shelf of superstitions, irrational and backward ...
It was Mao who revived traditional medicines to have a better grip on the people http://www.charlatans.info/acupuncture2.php

Wow what a sublime reference. They forget the 146.000 cancer deaths each year by quack medicine according to the image they provide. You have nothing more serious and more credible ?. The academy of medicine for example, even if it is subject to the lobbies of chemistry.
Opinion of the Academy of Medicine on acupuncture, hypnosis, osteopathy and tai chi
By Jean-Philippe RIVIERE - Publication date: March 08, 2013
https://www.vidal.fr/actualites/5902/av ... e_tai_chi/
Acupuncture, hypnosis, osteopathy and tai chi are the richest complementary techniques in indexed publications. In addition, these 4 unconventional therapies have been tested since July 2012 by the AP-HP in its hospitals. This article presents a summary of the results of the analysis made by the Academy of Medicine in its report published on March 5, 2013 (PDF file).

It's a little more serious than your rag towel.