The end of the thermal vehicle arrives bright electric.

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But it is still for Saint Glinglin. While it has been at least 10 years that they could have moved the derch on electric buses (and slightly hybridized if necessary).

Saint Glinglin ...

Well yes, they should have invested heavily ten years ago when the technology was not available industrially and what existed was not reliable and cost a crazy price. And now they should also scrap their existing diesel buses within two years even if they are very new, 2025 is not going fast enough?

In your sentence, until "ten years", everything is fine, after that it is nonsense every 4 words ... except "2025 it's not going fast enough" by removing the question mark.

Besides, your flexible nuclear adored, how was it developed?

[sicetaitsimple]

And blah blah ... always the same thing ... do you know that with this kind of "so simple" reasoning ... we would never have been to the Moon ... and that scientific research would not exist!

Worse we always hear that ecology is expensive but we groan much less for other state expenses much less honorable like ... armaments for example ...

I prefer 100 times that the State invests in 5 electric buses than in an Exocet which will end up dusting sooner or later !!

Wanting to compare the social object (the missions) of NASA or of any research organization, even of the army, with that of the RATP seems to me just a little, how to say, demagogic?

There, concerning the RATP buses, it is a matter of transporting a few hundred thousand people every day in the streets of Paris and neighboring municipalities and this in acceptable technical and cost conditions.

[sicetaitsimple]

But it is still for Saint Glinglin. While it has been at least 10 years that they could have moved the derch on electric buses (and slightly hybridized if necessary).

Saint Glinglin ...

Well yes, they should have invested heavily ten years ago when the technology was not available industrially and what existed was not reliable and cost a crazy price. And now they should also scrap their existing diesel buses within two years even if they are very new, 2025 is not going fast enough?

In your sentence, until "ten years", everything is fine, after that it is nonsense every 4 words ... except "2025 it's not going fast enough" by removing the question mark.

Well, let's admit, the French are morons and I only tell stupid things.

But tell me, in this case all the fleets of urban buses in the world should be massively electrified for 10 years, then, except that of these calves of the RATP?

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the RATP like others, makes the simplest and cheapest ... Diesel, gas, and "the air is pure with my gas" written on the back of buses ...

RATP nevertheless confidentially operated electric buses 10-15 years ago on the "Montmartrobus" line.

But even if all the buses were electric, with 100 cars smoking around each of them, it would only be symbolic.

Trolleys buses have been used since the 20s, and TPG (Geneva public transport) are still fond of them.

I think for my part that it would take a bus with electric batteries that takes juice only at its stops to avoid deploying power lines everywhere. In addition it would use the pantograph less (more slip because fixed contacts). It would also be very easy to change the route of the buses because they would no longer be dependent on overhead cables, but only on the stations where they stop.

[Christophe]

Wanting to compare the social object (the missions) of NASA or of any research organization, even of the army, with that of the RATP seems to me just a little, how to say, demagogic?

You find? I think it's not that much different: in any case it's public money ...

What I mean is that there is money, and much more than we are led to believe, state spending is only a question priorities!

In short when we want, we can!

There, concerning the RATP buses, it is a matter of transporting a few hundred thousand people every day in the streets of Paris and neighboring municipalities and this in acceptable technical and cost conditions.

Public transport is already largely subsidized by the State or other local authorities!
In Strasbourg, for example, the user only paid 1/3 of the real price in the early 2000s ... that hasn't changed much since then.

Public transport is not a profitable business or even a break-even! They are profitable by the indirect economic activity that this generates ... therefore normal that we subsidize them ...

Well, maybe this is where I should have started, it's a public service: how is your Town Hall (for example) profitable? Accounting an administration is deadweight loss!

So the "who pays?" everything done to excuse non-investment of innovations in public services (which should lead by example) ... blah what ...

[Christophe]

that said the ratp is not a bus builder! it can only buy what is available, and if no manufacturer wants to get tired of doing the right thing it will not progress

Some articles, figures and analyzes here (from 2016): Transportation-electric / electric-the-bus-t14452.html

[Christophe]

as long as the ratp does not find a profitable electric bus, this is proof that for private cars it is even worse!

Disagree with that: the State must set an example and if it costs 10 or 20% more it is less serious for a State than an individual ...

[sicetaitsimple]

Public transport is already largely subsidized by the State or other local authorities!
In Strasbourg, for example, the user only paid 1/3 of the real price in the early 2000s ... that hasn't changed much since then.

Public transport is not a profitable business or even a break-even! They are profitable by the indirect economic activity that this generates ... therefore normal that we subsidize them ...

Well, maybe this is where I should have started, it's a public service: how is your Town Hall (for example) profitable? Accounting an administration is deadweight loss!

So the "who pays?" everything done to excuse non-investment of innovations in public services (which should lead by example) ... blah what ...

No matter how hard I read myself, I can't find where I would have used the term "profitable"? I spoke of "acceptable cost".

On the other hand, who pays, there yes, it is necessary to find someone, that it passes directly or via subsidies, there is necessarily one or more pockets in which it is necessary to draw.

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not even sure that it is so much more expensive ... the GMP is probably a bit more expensive to buy, but for a bus traveling a lot, the fuel economy must prevail over the long term.

bus manufacturers who offer 100% electric models. Mercedes and Heuliez in particular.

[Christophe]

No matter how hard I read myself, I can't find where I would have used the term "profitable"? I spoke of "acceptable cost".

On the other hand, who pays, there yes, it is necessary to find someone, that it passes directly or via subsidies, there is necessarily one or more pockets in which it is necessary to draw.

Uh "who pays" that is not part of a reasoning of profitability? Is that so?