The end of the thermal vehicle arrives bright electric.

[moinsdewatt]

Industrialists battle for the big Ile-de-France electric bus market
From the French Bolloré to the Chinese BYD and Yutong, all the actors are eyeing the windfall of 2 billion euros that represents the electrification of buses in Ile-de-France.

THE ECONOMY WORLD | 14.10.2017 By Éric Béziat


The battle for the electric bus has indeed started in France and in Europe. A dozen manufacturers compete for an emerging and above all enticing market. Manufacturers are electrified by the promises of upheaval, the epicenter of which is in the Paris region: the RATP bus fleet - 4 vehicles - will have to be completely clean in 600 and include 2025 to 70% electric buses, or 80 to 3 vehicles (the rest must run on gas).
In addition, a non-negligible part of the 4 other buses and coaches traveling in Ile-de-France on regular lines outside RATP will have to electrify, if only to enter Paris, which has just announced the end of the heat engine for 000. It is therefore on a windfall of more than 2030 billion euros that industrialists can count in the coming decade for the only capital region of France.
The big maneuvers have started
The general excitement is all the more intense as the result of the first real call for tenders for this great electrification should soon be known: an order from the RATP for hundreds of all-electric buses (probably beyond 200 ) and who could face the 150 million euros.
The precise costing, which is being finalized by Ile-de-France Mobilités, the regional transport union, will be made public in late December or early January.

http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/ ... _3234.html

[moinsdewatt]

Electric buses: a “massive” call for tenders for the Ile-de-France network

The RATP and the Île-de-France Mobilités transport union launched on January 24 the largest call for tenders in Europe for the purchase of electric buses.

An order for 250 to 1 electric buses

By 2025, RATP wants to have a "100% clean bus park in Île-de-France", in the words of the CEO of the group Catherine Guillouard. The fleet planned for this horizon would be made up of two thirds of electric buses, the third remaining running on biogas.

To reach this target by 2025, a rapid conversion is essential: of the 4 Ile-de-France buses currently in circulation, 700 have a hybrid engine, 800 are powered by bioGNV and 140 are already "74% electric" (with drums).

The call for tenders launched by RATP and Île-de-France Mobilités relates to the order of 250 to 1 electric buses over the next two years, for a “maximum” amount of 000 million euros (funding shared between both actors).

Cut into 3 lots, the call for tenders concerns “the supply of standard electric buses of 12 m”. The first deliveries under this call for tenders are expected at the end of 2020.

Lower costs and charging infrastructure

Electric bus experiments have already taken place on the Ile-de-France network between 2015 and 2017. They have confirmed the existence of an industrial offer, guaranteeing, among other things, sufficient autonomy (at least 180 km per day).

Line 341, linking Charles de Gaulle-Étoile to Porte de Clignancourt, is already fully equipped with electric buses and "conversion" is underway for lines 115 and 126 (where partial recharging of batteries at the terminals is tested).

The new call for tenders will be the subject of stiff competition between the various manufacturers who have already tested models of electric buses on the Ile-de-France network. On the French side, Heuliez, Bolloré and Alstom will notably have to face the Chinese companies BYD and Yutong (allied with the Alsatian company Dietrich Carebus) (1).

With its "Bus 2025" plan, RATP plans to drastically reduce its carbon footprint, while reducing its costs linked to fuel consumption and even maintenance (2). Significant challenges remain, however, starting with the drop in the purchase price of electric buses, which today is around 500 euros on average (almost double the price of a diesel bus). The conversion of the 000 bus centers currently distributing diesel into electricity / biogas charging infrastructures will also require a major transformation.

https://www.connaissancedesenergies.org ... ien-180125

[sicetaitsimple]

Electric buses: a “massive” call for tenders for the Ile-de-France network

The RATP and the Île-de-France Mobilités transport union launched on January 24 the largest call for tenders in Europe for the purchase of electric buses.

An order for 250 to 1 electric buses

By 2025, RATP wants to have a "100% clean bus park in Île-de-France", in the words of the CEO of the group Catherine Guillouard. The fleet planned for this horizon would be made up of two thirds of electric buses, the third remaining running on biogas.

Well done, RATP and the Ile-de-France transport union!

It may bug a little at the beginning, it may cost a little more (I contribute personally ...), inevitably there will be complainers.

But 2025 is tomorrow, and if the example of the RATP can lead to other agglomerations in particular by lowering bus prices (because for a manufacturer the multi-year visibility on its order book has great value), it will be won for the segment where the electric combines all the advantages (noise, pollution, regular use but limited in km, I forget).

[Remundo]

well done ... yes, let's say it's going in the "right direction".

But it is still for Saint Glinglin. While it has been at least 10 years that they could have moved the derch on electric buses (and slightly hybridized if necessary).

We will still read for a long time "I run on natural gas, my air is pure"

[chatelot16]

Saint glinglin is not far away ... it's every year at All Saints!

if all ratp buses are electric for saint glinglin 2018 it will be a miracle

[sen-no-sen]

It's a good thing, probably related to the Olympic Games
But this is a late measure, by now we should have already electrified part of the huge fleet of heavy goods vehicles that crisscrosses France.

[Christophe]

well done ... yes, let's say it's going in the "right direction".

But it is still for Saint Glinglin. While it has been at least 10 years that they could have moved the derch on electric buses (and slightly hybridized if necessary).

+1 and to illustrate see 11 other concept car "St Glinglin": new-transport / car-the-future-of-t6803-2990.html # p333139

[sicetaitsimple]

But it is still for Saint Glinglin. While it has been at least 10 years that they could have moved the derch on electric buses (and slightly hybridized if necessary).

Saint Glinglin ...

Well yes, they should have invested heavily ten years ago when the technology was not available industrially and what existed was not reliable and cost a crazy price. And now they should also scrap their existing diesel buses within two years even if they are very new, 2025 is not going fast enough?

The problem is the same as for your 41 kWp of PV installed at 300,400 or 500 € / MWh, you have to find someone who pays!

No problem for the PV of the "good" years, they are all French electricity consumers, they were not really asked for their opinion.

Regarding the RATP buses, they are Ile-de-France residents, me by the way, through their taxes and their Navigo pass.

Do you want to contribute voluntarily?

[Christophe]

you have to find someone who pays!

And blah blah ... always the same thing ... do you know that with this kind of "so simple" reasoning ... we would never have been to the Moon ... and that scientific research would not exist!

Worse we always hear that ecology is expensive but we groan much less for other state expenses much less honorable like ... armaments for example ...

I prefer 100 times that the State invests in 5 electric buses than in an Exocet which will end up dusting sooner or later !!

[chatelot16]

When I say that you have to make electric buses for the ratp before making electric cars for individuals, it is not by being sure that it is profitable ... rather by doing the opposite reasoning! as long as the ratp does not find a profitable electric bus this is proof that for private cars it is even worse!

that said the ratp is not a bus builder! it can only buy what is available, and if no manufacturer wants to get tired of doing the right thing it will not progress