bamboo wrote:bernardd wrote:citro wrote:- In price, they are just OVERBILLED like the batteries in my Peugeot 106 which cost Saft less than € 2.000 but are invoiced € 8.000 by PSA which is EXCLUSIVE to the product.
If this were to be true, any resemblance to a purely commercial strategy to prevent another technology from coming onto the flower beds of internal combustion engines would be pure coincidence.
This approach is the same in all areas: phone batteries are more expensive when they bear a mark than when they are "no-name".
The owner of a brand plays on it to make wheat, it is not specific to electric vehicles.
I also bet you that if you go to the manufacturer of the gas tank, you will pay less for your tank than if you buy it from the dealer! What a surprise !
No: electric vehicles are still a niche market ...
As such bernardd and Citro are entirely right, but the question is
"Why"?Because niche markets are often a pit for R&D investment. And to say that the reasoning for "no-names" for mobile phones (market with high demand) would be the same is a serious aberration, quite simply because you have to pay the engineers well and distribute the costs globally! If this is the case (I say "if" because I do not intend to do in the syllogism), then that does not shock me, as long as a cat is called "a cat"!
We can see that the lack of understanding of elementary mechanisms, like understanding the mechanism of amortization AND / OR that of investment, is fatal to correct reasoning!
This reflection shows that bim-bam-bou has some notions, but did not really understand how the market works in this specific case. He seems to be as ignorant in this area, as in accounting as private as that of business or as land reform and water management! Almost all the subjects he is talking about here, it seems.
Best of all: real electric vehicles don't need gas tanks!
(hello example !!!)
bamboo wrote:The problem with the electric car is that the manufacturers do not trust it (rightly or wrongly, it is not the concern of the moment). No conspiracy. They just don't think they will pay for themselves. If customers had shown a strong interest in REVA, all manufacturers would have launched their electric model.
Customers are as guilty as suppliers.
How not to be built for the electric car?
But here again, to see the problem from this angle is extremely false.
Manufacturers have other cats to whip:
- the main problem of electric motorization - apart from their cost
- is the weight of the vehicle to be moved, and the performance of the batteries as well as their reliability. And of course the availability of charging stations and mains power in the area!
- it is not so much a question of whether the manufacturers have (or not) "confidence" or not in this mode of transport, rather than knowing
if there is a need and a clientele for that! As long as the other equations are settled! The fact is that yes, demand has existed for decades, but we still see nothing coming from the side of local communities, to install standard terminals everywhere!
- it is however not complicated to understand, they must apparently continue to spare the goat and the cabbage, between their thermal vehicles exclusively, and the others. Is it not to scare the oil tankers too much with whom they have all kinds of agreements and sharing of technologies! There is undoubtedly a little of that, it is necessary well to read again what Bernardd said!
- whatever some people say, Li-on batteries have their limits. Even today, I gave such a 100% charged battery to a family member who wanted to take a photo series in a nearby town. After about twenty photos with a DSLR (which theoretically can make nearly a thousand on a single charge) saw it being completely discharged after having made only 25 ... It was annoying, it ended up on the iPhone4 , but what would it be with a vehicle equipped in this way? Dry battery failure, we must tow! Hello, trouble and loss of time! And this with batteries at € 10 ...
- as long as the solar thermal sector is not developed on a large scale, there will be no point in developing the electric vehicle market, as this would only boost the nuclear sector by increased demand for electricity, since the main operators are not yet able to substitute one production for another.
- then, it is a safe bet that the resolution of the thorny question of current batteries, which could be replaced by types of hybrid (ultra-condensers-graphene battery) will give a boost to this market, in particular by making drastically lower the cost of these vehicles.
- conclusion, that we are able to make beautiful sentences does not change anything: the current priority number one should be massive investments in solar thermal (or geothermal renewable) energy.
Without this....
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