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by The shadow » 15/07/15, 14:04

This is false because this statement takes into account the largest forest Outside France > Guyana which suits us well for us makes pass for white geese : Evil:
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by Macro » 15/07/15, 14:44

The key results of the 2011 heritage assessment of state forests

As part of its commitments with the State, the ONF carried out in 2011 the second heritage assessment of metropolitan state forests.
42 indicators make it possible to report and monitor the state of these forests over time, in the diversity of their economic, ecological and social functions.
A full-scale inventory that covers more than 1.702.000 ha divided into 1.317 forests, but also a tool for managing the sustainable management of state forests. Now drawn up every five years, the next report will therefore appear in 2016.
metropolitan state forests who told you ...

If we add the private and public forests not managed by the ONF we arrive at 16.3 million hectares, or 29% of the metropolis ...

Guyana alone has 8.300.000 hectares ... or about 96% of its area ...

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/For%C3%AAt_en_France

To this we can also add the lawns, gardens, and the Chlorophytum of my office ... which also recycle Co2
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by The shadow » 15/07/15, 15:07

The sea too : Mrgreen:
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by I Citro » 15/07/15, 15:23

Shadow wrote:"So, yes, in urban areas, automobile pollution is a major problem, because a car consumes the air of 50 people and emits toxic waste for an equivalent volume."
Where is the source of this statement? because I have no knowledge of this percentage : Shock:
It is not a percentage but an average value that takes into account the average volume of air consumed in one minute by an average human being (neither a child nor an elderly person) in the context of normal physical activity (neither in sleep nor in full effort).
This air consumption is of the order of 20 liters per minute.

For the consumption of a vehicle, I gave the data of my calculations above:
A 4-stroke engine (gasoline or diesel) with 2 liters of displacement, idling at around 1000 revolutions per minute.
At the rate of an explosion every 2 revolutions or 1 fuel liter per revolution.
1 minute at 1000 revolutions / minute = 1000 liters = 1 m3

The current trend is towards downsizing (reduction of displacement) but the engines are more powerful due to the increase in supercharging pressures (turbo compressor, volumetric compressor and often LES 2!).
The result is that despite a reduction in cubic capacity, these engines consume almost as much air as those with 2 liters of cubic capacity ... In particular because of the generalization of air conditioning.

Note that the volume of gas escaping from the engine is greater than that entering due to the heat and the hydrocarbons consumed and transformed by combustion.
Since CO2 is heavier than air, the mass of the exhaust gases is also greater than that of the admitted gases.
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by Leo Maximus » 15/07/15, 15:46

Shadow wrote:: Evil: July 14, 2015 : Shock:
How much fuel does this day consume? and the fine particle emissions on the heads of all these people, and the costs of this beautiful day in millions of euros 8)
100 billion I read 10000000000000000 I lost the link : Mrgreen:

We must add the considerable pollution by fireworks which, after having polluted the air pollute the waters.

We have nothing to do with it : Cheesy: . Fireworks are a Chinese invention ... : Lol:
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by Macro » 15/07/15, 15:54

Add to that the few hundred tons of naphtha that went up in smoke ... : Evil: : Evil:
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by Did67 » 15/07/15, 16:30

Shadow wrote:This is false because this statement takes into account the largest forest Outside France > Guyana which suits us well for us makes pass for white geese: evil:


Since you ask others to support their arguments, could you not start with yourself a little to be credible?

Or do you want to be content with the painful role of barker ???

For all serious people:

- forests in mainland France are developing on the surface due to the "agricultural abandonment" (the fact that we drop surfaces not easily mechanized enough, not profitable enough ...)

[source (among many others + the sense of observation of each + a little common sense): http://inventaire-forestier.ign.fr/spip ... ?rubrique3]

- these new forests are generally more productive, because it is about old agricultural land (compared to the forests which occupied the very steep slopes, the summits, uncultivated areas ...)

- this forest is currently under-exploited (even if the cuts are unpleasant) in the sense that we extract less wood each year than it grows

[source: http://inventaire-forestier.ign.fr/spip ... ol-vol.pdf This is indeed metropolitan France including Corsica; see table details on page 2]]


- only the growth of the forest + the use of wood as materials corresponds to the storage of CO²; the wood that decomposes or the wood that is burned releases the CO² stored previously; a forest in equilibrium is therefore ... neutral in CO² (the stroke of the Amazon = lung of the planet is a vast joke, which everyone repeats however; on the other hand, deforestation releases CO²: once by combustion of the wood, and also because very humus soils enter a cycle of loss of Organic Matter = mineralization = release of sequestered CO²) ...
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by Did67 » 15/07/15, 16:35

citro wrote:
The current trend is towards downsizing (reduction of displacement) but the engines are more powerful due to the increase in supercharging pressures (turbo compressor, volumetric compressor and often LES 2!).
The result is that despite a reduction in cubic capacity, these engines consume almost as much air as those with 2 liters of cubic capacity ... In particular because of the generalization of air conditioning.

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I agree with you.

Note, however, this small downside: the fleet is also evolving towards vehicles smaller atmospheres, like C1, Twingo, etc ... without turbo. CF best sellers!

The Clio replace the Laguna in the families ...

So part of the downsizing still has a beneficial effect, in all people who are satisfied with 60/70 HP (instead of the 120/150 previously).
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by Exnihiloest » 15/07/15, 16:49

Flytox wrote:...
Chui not sure that it is indeed an "allergy" when we arrive at 40000 deaths / year .... is it very credible to "water down" the problems in this way ?????
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https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... dSTtsr.pdf


"40000 deaths / year": where does this info come from and what are the raw data that allow it to be confirmed?
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by Did67 » 15/07/15, 17:26

Shadow wrote::
100 billion I read 10000000000000000 I lost the link: mrgreen:


But of course !!!

- the budget of the French State (in expenditure, since it is not balanced) is around 450 billion (rounded)

- the budget of local authorities (municipalities, inter-municipal authorities, departments, regions) is around 230 billion ...

It therefore seems obvious to me that July 14 costs 100 billion ... ?????????

You can always look for the link ... Maybe it's the same as the ones that "prove" that the gas chambers never existed?
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