Building a 2 hp electric

Cars, buses, bicycles, electric airplanes: all electric transportation that exist. Conversion, engines and electric drives for transport ...
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by minguinhirigue » 09/07/08, 18:56

If this project is made possible, it will be a great step forward.

I asked questions on a few points, such as the weight, range and destination of the vehicle ...

It seems that you have chosen the dyane as a light vehicle with a peri-urban vocation (100 km of autonomy ...) and "automobile" speeds (100 km / h). Just the worry of not being able to benefit from the enormous efficiency of electric vehicles with mini qued type wheel motors, presented by citro : Lol: . But this is a minor problem because everything else is a big plus compared to the prospects of the genre scrapping dyane, we take a C3 "eco" ...

Good of the uses that I have of vehicles today, I am happy by bike and train, but if your projects multiply, I will perhaps be even more so: a dyane is more reassuring than a sniff when one is a cyclist :D .

Good luck for the future.
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by Misterloxo » 09/07/08, 21:43

Nice initiative!

I haven't read the whole thread but did you know: http://www.cadichonne.net/DyaneElectrique.php ?
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by I Citro » 10/07/08, 00:18

Misterloxo wrote:Nice initiative!

I haven't read the whole thread but did you know: http://www.cadichonne.net/DyaneElectrique.php ?


Yep, we talked about it, a very nice achievement. : Mrgreen:
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by I Citro » 10/07/08, 00:24

minguinhirigue wrote:Good of the uses that I have of vehicles today, I am happy by bike and train, but if your projects multiply, I will perhaps be even more so: a dyane is more reassuring than a sniff when one is a cyclist :D .


I envy you, I have 2x20km of ring road to go to work either 2x20 minutes ... and I will try to do them by bike or scoot'elec or 2x 16km from town or 2x1 hour (I hope less).
It is not so easy to change habits ... the tight schedule, the children to take away ...
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by Chatham » 10/07/08, 07:14

citro wrote:
amedee wrote:Every day, the DRIRE approves "special" vehicles during RTI (Isolated Title Reception), that's their job. I presented myself, as a private individual, my vehicle that I had myself converted to dual-fuel LPG by providing the necessary certificates ... And I know other examples concerning EVs, 3-wheel vehicles, diesel motorcycles ...
You have to stop talking without knowing, while keeping in mind that it is not easy and that you need great rigor to succeed in an RTI




Find out: the conditions for reception on an isolated basis have become extremely strict, moreover many vehicles, however perfectly homologated everywhere else in the world, will never be in France which today has the most restrictive regulations in the world ... and I'm not even kidding ...
another vehicle that has never been able to obtain an RTI in France: the Peraves monotrace, yet officially approved everywhere else in the world ... in France, then made just as strictly mandatory under penalty of immediate immobilization of the vehicle ...
At one time it was indeed different, as proof of the many vehicles modified until the end of the 80s, including my 2cv with 4 cylinder engine approved with the mention: Citroën ami 8 super "MOD" on the gray card ... impossible in France today...
The necessary Sézame is the official authorization of the automobile manufacturer (which will no longer get wet today because of legal risks), and the modifications must now be made by a professional designated himself as a "manufacturer". ..In some cases the cost of RTI can be very high ...
When an "electrified" Dyane has obtained an RTI, we'll talk about it again ... : Cheesy:
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by amedee » 10/07/08, 09:34

citro wrote:Where do you get this certainty from? In France there are thermal cars converted to EV and homologated and used every day ...
Yes, the 106, Saxo, Partner, Kango marketed by the manufacturers in the years 90-2000 as well as the Doblo of Fiat / Newteon at 67.000 euros currently.

Every day, the DRIRE approves "special" vehicles during RTI (Isolated Title Reception), that's their job. I presented myself, as a private individual, my vehicle that I had myself converted to dual-fuel LPG by providing the necessary certificates ... And I know other examples concerning EVs, 3-wheel vehicles, diesel motorcycles ...
You have to stop talking without knowing, while keeping in mind that it is not easy and that you need great rigor to succeed in an RTI

I can return as many counterexamples to you Recent, and your fuel modification validated several years ago, or the "utility" transformations which constitute 99% of current Drire approvals do not have exactly the same scope as the project presented here.

citro wrote:Those who do so never do anything.
One of the constant among discoverers, inventors and other pioneers of all stripes is that they were unaware of the difficulties to which they were exposed and would have discouraged them in advance ...
"They didn't know it was impossible, so they did!"

This is a soft-dreamer speech that could relate to the 70s and 80s where any mechanic could tinker with a car and have it approved. Only, the company has changed ... everything is now ISO standardized, materials, processes, everything is regulated, patented, INPIsé, supervised, Europeanized ... the Géo Trouvetou trip no longer really has its place in Western society. opinion calls for the "precautionary principle" all the time.

I am not saying that it is good, I do not defend this point of view, simply I say that this is how it happens.

Let's take the problem the other way. There is a fiddling with small manufacturers who have the electrical know-how. Ask yourself the question of why are they confined in carts, or rather quads disqualified by cars (GEM, Scarlette, Smera ...) rather than electrifying Dyane, Twingo, Smart ... technically, it's the same thing!

An RTI, it is prepared, it is anticipated, it is studied. It is not played in poker ...

Now make no mistake: I very much hope that your project will be successful, because it would open a new path to electrification.
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by I Citro » 10/07/08, 10:03

: Arrow: I do not have the time and the means to try the adventure and I think it is better to buy one of the 400 used electric cars which are stored 200m from my work by THE European specialist in Used electric vehicle, I named Accus Services.

However I think that with will we must be able to get there ...

When you are a manufacturer (GEM, Scarlette, Smera ...), it makes a lot more sense to build a light, maneuverable and dedicated EV than to reuse used equipment in an unknown state and above all with a deplorable architecture that jeopardizes the final result.

The choice of thermal conversion to EV can only be an individual or associative approach, that administrations, lobbies ... do not want to see generalized ...
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by jonule » 10/07/08, 10:22

Andre wrote:Hello
no to the nuclear electric car!
there should be sockets on the enercoop network, there yes.


Should we also add no to house heating has nuclear electricity?

If we use electricity for domestic heating and air conditioning I don't see why we should feel guilty for cars?
You have to see the problem from another angle not put the cart before the horse the electric car is one thing, electric production is another thing, which may evolve in the near future on its way of producing it , but the distribution network infrastructures, will remain similar, it is necessary to develop the electric whole, which is an energy easily transformable for multiple use.

Could we have the same reason for domestic fuel a certain amount per person? , whether they use it for heating or for their car, it doesn't matter.

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> Do you support nuclear power, André?
what do you think of the leak that there has just been in France 2 days ago, it is not enough near you or well?

for me it is obvious that the heating must be done with a renewable NRJ: the WOOD.
I don't see petroleum or nuclear for that.

they say that the oil does not have enough field to make it grow I say not enough power station to roll in electric car, it will be necessary by a highway?

no no not serious, a blow of lobby the electric car ... like that of oil it is the same: dictatorship me I say.

still on renewable electricity, but you don't realize you just see the ease that it brings, like an electric heater, we think it's magic but we don't see everything behind it.
as much not guilty about anything then?

if not develop I will:
"which is likely to evolve in the near future on the way it is produced"
?? that is to say ?

sorry but :
petroleum or nuclear?
nothing to do.
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by Chatham » 10/07/08, 13:31

jonule wrote:what do you think of the leak that there has just been in France 2 days ago, it is not enough near you or well?



A few years ago, while digging a hole to plant a tree in my grandparents' garden, I found a large black stone pebble very strange and very heavy for its size (~ 30kg): after having entrusted it to the competent services, it turned out that it was a block of high-grade uranium ore dragged there during the last glaciation in the Vosges ... it was probably millennia that it was there ... and a geiger survey revealed a natural radioactivity much higher than the average in the sector (granite) where is the farm where there were however no "mysterious and premature deaths" (to the contrary my big parents, harsh maysan, had exceptional health (which i inherited, apparently: seen a doctor twice in the last 2 years, never ill ...) and lived old and died in their sleep, no cancer) and no poorly trained animals or humans ...
The leak that occurred was not very radioactive and very diluted products, so you have to put it into perspective, it's not dramatic, just annoying ...
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by jonule » 10/07/08, 13:43

how can you say that the products were not very radioactive chatam?
by how much compared to how much and what harmfulness to the body in external and internal irradiation?
where do you get that from?
and what dilution? how much out of how much?

Isn't it dramatic? is that just annoying?
but will say that to the residents who are there it is not for me that it must be said! what without embarrassment I do not believe!

malformed animals or humans unfortunately have a short period of life due to their .. not natural but artificial handicap. it is a bit like the mandeleief elements added: some exist following transformation with materials transformed and created by man, therefore artificial and harmful, like depleted uranium which never existed on earth before these few years .


so like that you found a little weird pebble and you brought it to the "competent services"? competent in what, in pebbles? Didn't you know that things don't "drag out" like that in nature, but that Mother Nature has just separated us from these ores by geological barriers to protect us?
who did the geiger survey?

you are pronuke chatam, you can proclaim it.

you tell anything with your ore which comes from the time of the glaciation I never heard such remarks keep that as history to your children when they are accustomed to eat radioactive food and that you will see your descendants degenerate .. not dramatic you will say to me, just annoying ...
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