The solar installation wood Tigger with thermal buffer

[tigrou_838]

hi looping, have you thought to look on the site apper, you will find a lot of interesting things, in addition with a group of purchases for stuff as you need.

look at my signature, the site is there.

tigrou

[loop]

hi Christophe

Sorry, I could not extract the information from the page of the commercial site, I indicated the link for ease
That said, there is a lot of information on the products and I recommend this site (it is specified that the products are made in Europe, is it true? The panels in Turkey)

For the buffer tank, it's another story
In order :

Install a DHW preheating preparation tank before the electric cumulus. Exchanger coils on the central heating circuit (supplied by a dedicated circulator or a controlled valve? To be discussed)

Redo a chimney flue (only the bottom remains) and install a boiler insert (ordered online at an unbeatable price) on the central heating circuit

Connect this insert (or boiler with glazing, if you prefer) with a second circulator to a buffer tank
For now, I have an idea of ​​the possible location, but the staircase of the cellar descent is too narrow

Install solar collectors to heat the buffer tank water
As the water in the heating circuit can circulate in the buffer tank, the heat can be used both for heating the home and for preheating the DHW
In summer I will simply close the radiators and the water will circulate only to the tank

I make a sketch as soon as I have a good time

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[Christophe]

Sorry, I could not extract the information from the page of the commercial site, I indicated the link for ease
That said, there is a lot of information on the products and I recommend this site (it is specified that the products are made in Europe, is it true? The panels in Turkey)

There is no harm It is 100% Turkish material I met the owner of the site (he lives in Alsace).

For the buffer tank, it's another story
In order :

I make a sketch as soon as I have a good time

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Me too!

[loop]

Reply to Tigrou

I know the Apper site well
But sorry, I'm allergic to Chinese products
My goal is to some extent to save money by reducing my consumption of non-renewable energy. Buying products from the other side of the planet does not seem to me to be a sustainable solution (neither ecologically nor qualitatively)

For Christophe: are the balloons presented also of Turkish manufacture? I read on the site that they came from Austria (is it import at home?)

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[tigrou_838]

response to looping,

I know there are Chinese products,

but luckily it's not all that.

you just have to quickly look at the tube sensors, but not the plans ????????

if we were to stick to that, nothing would advance.

if you look closely, the flat collectors are made in Turkey.

like many balloons which then pass through Germany or Austria, with a nice difference in price when switching brands.

but anybody do as they please.

jean

[Christophe]

For Christophe: are the balloons presented also of Turkish manufacture? I read on the site that they came from Austria (is it import at home?)

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Well the guy who manages only imports.
In 2006 it was only Turkish, it may have changed ... what brand is it? Besides, to tell you the truth, if I hadn't found the second-hand orange balloon (trendy color isn't it?) For my deom, I would have bought one from him: it still has quite a good price.

It makes me think that I still haven't called ESE ... are you still interested? Otherwise I am ...

ps: even importing is better to import a solar collector from China than a 4x4 right?

[loop]

Bonsoir

Reply to Tigrou

if we were to stick to that, nothing would advance.

if you look closely, the flat collectors are made in Turkey.

like many balloons which then pass through Germany or Austria, with a nice difference in price when switching brands.

Completely agree with you Tigger
My remark about the source of the material was not addressed to you, besides, I have not done anything good yet, so I will be careful not to pass judgment on what others do
I am particularly sensitive to the source of the material and when possible (financially or technically), I prefer local products. But we are often tricked because indeed the European manufacturer could very well stick only the final label on the product and proudly announce that it is made in CE
I end up wondering if there is really still a manufacturing industry with us, panel like solar balloons?

Besides, for the balloon that I presented, brand PIAC Ezinc, after investigation, it is indeed a Turkish manufacturing material
Austrian balloons (is that true?) Must be the other brands BAYMAK and AUSTRIA EMAIL

Reply to Christophe

It makes me think that I still haven't called ESE ... are you still interested? Otherwise I am ...

ps: even importing is better to import a solar collector from China than a 4x4 right?

I am interested in ESE absorbers insofar as we could provide me with lengths on request (around 5m in length and width to be reviewed)
During a last test with recovery material, I made a basic sensor with a transparent PVC tube D63 and a copper tube D16 inside + 2 caps, all placed in the sun (from April)
Given the small surface area of ​​the copper tube, I consider the test to be very promising. Subject to performing the power measurements per unit area, the temperature observed on the copper, taking into account the outside temperature. that day, demonstrates that PVC is a good insulator, even if there is no air vacuum.
What I am also looking for is discreet, light and easily handled material. In this, the commercial sensors are dissuasive.
I am not really limited in surface area, but my roof is quite high, made in steel tub (vertical veins)

For your last remark Christophe
solar collector or Chinese 4x4? I would simply reply that the most important thing is that this material is durable and effective, and that it will not end up in the landfill in 6 months

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[tigrou_838]

hello looping,

I suspect that we are all very attentive to the source of the material, the big problem is that everything comes from the UPS in general.

look where is the pc from where you write !!!!

there is not a lot of manufacturer of solar material in France, but a lot of resellers of product coming from the border countries and manufacturing almost all in Turkey or Greece, and as I told you above, they sweeten it by the way by sticking their mark on it, more if the material fits into the subsidies, another slap on the price.

so hard to find your way in there I agree with you.

May why there is no manufacturer in France, we are so stupid that we French ?????????????????????

GRRRRRRR it does the tigger, not after looping, but after the system.

tigrou

[loop]

Hi Tigger

May why there is no manufacturer in France, we are so stupid that we French ?????????????????????

I have worked in the industry for 15 years and I must say that the problem is not simple
Labor in France is very expensive compared to developing countries
The first who understood that manufactured products would have a much lower cost price, by having them manufactured abroad, we began to outsource their production and / or their subcontracting
Market prices fell, margins fell a bit, and not everyone was able to keep up while remaining profitable
Competition has no soul, and to survive, relocation has become systematic
Even today, even knowing that offshoring impoverishes us, the system continues to enrich importers and throws workers on the street in the industrial sector, until our purchasing power ends up becoming too weak to buy these products

Given the market price of current solar equipment (not the low end), I am sure that an investment in French manufacturing would be entirely viable
But why take such a risk when you can make huge margins by importing these products?

Finally, nuclear power broke the internal RE market which could have developed at the right time, as in Germany!
A by Airbus, Alsthom Areva and the "big guys" in the industrial sector, the State has never supported companies that could succeed in a way of the future, sustainable industrial development

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[loop]

Here is a simplified sketch of my planned installation
The oil boiler, radiators and 4-way valve are existing
The installation will be done as and when equipment in balloons, wood and solar insert
I did not place the circulators and 3-way valves because I need your advice
For the legibility of the diagram, I drew it as simply as possible



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