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by Obamot » 30/11/15, 00:11

The pyromaniac fireman who annoys without respite, >>> is also the one who moans ...! Image

At Christmas, trolls multiply in the gardens, it smells like rabbit stew >>> Image

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* Nan Janic, it was for the rhyme, a "stew of tofu" it did not do it ... ^^
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by pedrodelavega » 06/12/15, 18:15

Janic wrote:
To compare with another controversial subject: Dowsers (person who searches for groundwater using a rod or pendulum.) To make an opinion, I must rely on the opinions / documentation of the only dowsers or I must trust to scientific studies / experiments?
Neither ! [...]
I bring several dowsers on a field where I know the position of the point / wire. I ask them, each in turn, to look for water. Does the analysis of the results obtained not allow us to conclude on their effectiveness?
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by Janic » 06/12/15, 18:23

pedro hello
I bring several dowsers on a field where I know the position of the point / wire. I ask them, each in turn, to look for water. Does the analysis of the results obtained not allow us to conclude on their effectiveness?
if you bring several doctors to the bedside of a patient whose pathology you know and they give you the same diagnosis and the same treatment, you have the right to believe them, but the only determining factor is to know if the patient will be cured. That's the right criteria! Same thing then: whether it is a hydraulic engineer or a dowser, it is the arrival of the water that will decide who was right (maybe both, if they obtained the same result) t and only the one who will make the water gush either one or the other ... or nobody if nothing comes out!
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by pedrodelavega » 06/12/15, 18:51

Janic wrote:pedro hello
I bring several dowsers on a field where I know the position of the point / wire. I ask them, each in turn, to look for water. Does the analysis of the results obtained not allow us to conclude on their effectiveness?
[...] whether it is a hydraulic engineer or a dowser, it is the arrival of the water which will decide who was right (perhaps both, if they obtained the same result) and only the one who will make the water gush either one or the other ... or nobody if nothing comes out!
Precisely, all the experiments which have been carried out in this direction have demonstrated that the dowsers do not have better results than ordinary people who give points to the chance.

Moreover, the bonus offered to anyone who proves that he has this "power" now amounts to $ 1 Million. She was never won.
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by Janic » 06/12/15, 19:19

Precisely, all the experiments that have been carried out in this direction have shown that the dowsers do not have better results than ordinary people who give points at random.
I can't answer it personally! but if it is like homeopathy, it would be interesting to note the conditions offered. The little that I know of dowsing (essentially in medical dowsing and by good) it is on the contrary surprising precision.
NB: I myself tried and chance had no place there, but as I lack neutrality in this practice, it is not for me! :?
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by Obamot » 07/12/15, 22:29

PB2488 who still does not know French wrote:I bring several dowsers to a field whose I know the position of the pointss / threads of water. I ask them, each one in turn, to seek water. Would it not be possible to conclude from the analysis of the results obtained à their effectiveness?

Must ask him, he finds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx48mPZ7Cj4

Success rate 66% (between 33 and 98%)
http://www.lepoint.fr/video/bande-annon ... 68_738.php

You have to ask the "good" not the Dupont-Dupont.

PB2488 wrote:Moreover, the bonus offered to anyone who proves that he has this "power" now amounts to $ 1 Million. She was never wone.

Ah yes ?
http://www.wat.tv/video/vue-sur-planete ... exyh_.html
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by pedrodelavega » 07/12/15, 22:45

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by Obamot » 07/12/15, 22:47

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by sen-no-sen » 09/12/15, 17:20

An article on the question of transhumanism by François Roddier:

The great illusion
April 3th

We know that a dissipative structure collapses when the information it stores is no longer adapted to its environment. This implies that a human society collapses when its perception of the world, and therefore the policies of its leaders, has become obsolete. It is thus (see previous post) that our elites seek to correct the effects of liberalism by more liberalism or the effects of growth by more growth.

Man seems to have his head turned by his scientific and technical prowess. Since we have been able to go to the moon, then anything is possible for us. There are no limits to progress. If our oil supplies decrease and the climate warms, then further progress will resolve these problems. Here again, we are asked to solve the problems due to too rapid progress, by even faster progress.

A paragon of this way of thinking is the American Ray Kurzweil. A specialist in artificial intelligence, Kurzweil thinks that computers will soon be able to supplant human intelligence. Humanity will then cross what it calls a “singularity” (1). Are we going to be run by computers?

Kurzweil thinks that technical progress will make it possible to prolong the duration of human life indefinitely (2). At no point does it occur to him that our civilization can collapse. The need for human genes to adapt to a world that is changing faster and faster, should instead lead to a decrease in human lifespan. In fact, life expectancy has already started to decrease in the United States (3).

Whether right or left, most of our politicians think like Kurzweil. Thus Jean-Luc Mélenchon would have declared on the radio: "Tomorrow we will overcome death" (4). Faced with such a misconception of reality, it is no longer surprising that the policies they propose are unrealistic.

This month, Le Monde Diplomatique publishes an article by Jacques Testart (5) on medically assisted procreation. According to Testart, this technique brings back the specter of eugenics: "It could imperceptibly lead to a biopolitical world created by the laboratory generation of programmed individuals, of which Aldous Huxley imagined a version in Le Meilleur des Mondes, in 1931 ". Should we worry about it?

The individuals genetically programmed in the laboratory are subjected like the others to natural selection. It is she who decides in the last instance. If they are not adapted to their environment, the genes selected by humans will be eliminated by natural selection. Because it will decrease genetic variability, any attempt at eugenics will lead to a decrease in the world population, a rather salutary effect when resources decrease.

All these examples show that it is not Man who commands. Evolution obeys laws to which Man is subject. We now know that natural selection acts on genes. She selects those who maximize energy dissipation. For this reason, it selected the first genes capable of producing a reptilian brain. To dissipate energy even better, the reptilian brains were seconded by a limbic or affective brain. He then surrounded himself with a rational brain called neocortex. Today the human neocortex is assisted by an even more powerful exosomatic brain, made up of computers.

This will not produce more singularity than when Man started to dissipate the energy in a predominantly exosomatic way, using machines. As powerful as they are, our computers will continue to obey our rational brains. Himself obeys our emotional brain. Seeking to maximize our well-being, the latter obeys our reptilian brain which itself obeys our genes. Finally, the latter obey the laws of chemistry, that is to say, ultimately, thermodynamics.

Thus Man is not master of his destiny. He has only the illusion. For the reasons I have described, human societies follow the laws of thermodynamics. Our leaders are subject to it. Put at the head of a country by a population whose ideas have become completely unrealistic, they can only lead society towards its collapse.

(1) Ray Kurzweil, The Singularity is Near, Penguin Books (2005).
(2) Ray Kurzweil, Terry Grossman, Fantastic Voyage: Live Long Enough to Live for Ever, Rodale (2013).
(3) See: notre-planète.info.
(4) Words and deeds, France 2, January 12, 2012. Quoted by Vincent Cheynet, Décroissance ou décadence, Le pas de coté, 2014.
(5) French biologist, Jacques Testart allowed the birth of the first “test tube baby” in France in 1982.

http://www.francois-roddier.fr/?p=59
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by Ahmed » 09/12/15, 20:10

Excellent quote! The method of Roddier works wonders here to refute this imposture and above all to reveal its origin.

It is not surprising that the Left Front shares this kind of illusion, since its credo consists not in anti-capitalism, but in a paradoxical capitalism for all!
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