The rat would have more empathy than the modern man ...

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by Christophe » 26/02/13, 11:46

Ah yes ... also crazy this one!

I promise I would eat more crow or crow! : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 26/02/13, 11:47

Obamot wrote:: Mrgreen:

my beak is too big and it slips!


I finally! There are ladies here!

: Cheesy:
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by culbuto » 26/02/13, 12:44

We always need a smaller than itself :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erDTPFdV_ZA
NB dailymotion, youtube and others are a treasure trove of discoveries if you still have some doubts about animal nature : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 02/03/13, 20:42

There is still a little empathy in humans: http://www.wimp.com/helicopterdeer/
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by Janic » 03/03/13, 13:12

it is likely that the fallow deer has a broken hind leg after the end of the video. But he will probably end up being shot by a hunter ... full of empathy too ... for his stomach!
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by Christophe » 11/03/13, 23:38

Another example of gorilla and kitten inter racial animal empathy: http://www.wimp.com/gorillakitten/ and the gorilla speaks with gestures and says that he is sad after the disappearance of the kitten ...
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by Christophe » 11/03/13, 23:41

One more (doesn't know the story):

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by Christophe » 25/03/13, 22:09

We continue in animal empathy:

Chimpanzees are aware of their collaboration in accomplishing a task

Sometimes chimpanzees cooperate to solve problems. But scientists did not know if chimpanzees really helped each other in their common tasks, or if they focused on the related tasks. Now we have proof that they are consciously working to form teams. This highlights both the social behavior of chimpanzees and humans.

Discovering cooperation mechanisms in the animal kingdom can be tricky. After all, many species coordinate to achieve mutually beneficial results. There are many examples of animal cooperation, like when it comes to hunting, for wolves, hyenas and lions…. Observing them in their common hunt, it seems obvious that they are cooperating. What is less clear is the level of voluntary collaboration at work, to what extent do these animals understand the need to help each other to acquire prey? More generally, how do we know that cooperative animals are not just acting independently towards a common goal, regardless of the different roles of their fellow "teammates"?

These questions are essential to understand the behavior of animals, but they also evoke the place of humanity in the animal kingdom in general. Without cooperation the human being would not have succeeded as well. Recognizing how much a teammate's efforts can complement work suggests that we understand cooperation when other animals cannot. But when did we evolve this idea and are there other species that have it?

Alicia Melis, animal behavior specialist at the University of Warwick (England), believes that chimpanzees may have crucial clues to answer these questions. She has studied teamwork in chimpanzees for years.

Understanding the similarities between human skill in collaboration with that of our closest primate cousins ​​is crucial, she says, and not just for elucidating the mechanisms at play in chimpanzee behavior, but in humans as well.

In a recently published study (link below), Melis and his colleague Michael Tomasello, a psychologist and co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, conducted a series of experiments to study the mechanisms at work in collaboration with chimpanzees.

The study involved a total of 12 chimpanzees, which were paired in teams. A box containing a tasty reward, in the form of grapes, was presented to each team. But obtaining the grapes remained a complicated task.

Each box contained a grape distribution mechanism which required the use of two non-interchangeable tools. From the back of the box, a chimpanzee had to move the grapes using a small rake, while a chimpanzee at the front inserted a stick to trigger the release of all the grapes grown in the right position by his partner. The recovery of the grapes therefore required that the chimpanzees play complementary roles, but also help in the fulfillment of these roles.

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The researchers complicated things by giving each of the two tools to one chimp at a time. The chimp had to share one of its tools, but the right one, in order to get the grapes. Ten of the 12 chimpanzees resolved the task, and tool sharing occurred in 97% of the cases. Even more impressive: three quarters of the time, they gave the right tool to their partner. This is what is most surprising for Melis. It shows that they are thinking about each role and how they relate to each other.

The study therefore provides the first evidence that chimpanzees can pay attention to the actions of a partner in a collaborative task and shows that they know that their partner must not only be there, but also plays a specific role. they want to succeed.

So what does this have to do with human cooperation? Chimpanzees and humans share a common ancestor. That chimpanzees are capable of such levels of understanding when it comes to teamwork therefore suggests that our ability to intentionally collaborate may have its origins in the evolution of a common ancestor. If this is indeed the case, says Melis, it will take more research to confirm and find it. She hopes to carry out her tests on the family of bonobos to confirm that this faculty appeared before the two lines (chimpanzees and humans).

The study published on Biology Letters: http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.org/ ... 9.abstract


Source: http://www.gurumed.org/2013/03/25/les-c ... dune-tche/
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by Christophe » 28/05/13, 20:31

The dolphin, may be the second most intelligent species on Earth after man ...can be a real sadist (like the man wants!): http://www.madmoizelle.com/les-animaux- ... hins-16751

Dolphins, these bloodthirsty and perverse animals

Dolphins are disgusting beings, full of bad intentions. Well hidden behind their image of enchanted mermaids who are friends of lost children, they spend their time committing horrible misdeeds.

Ah, the dolphin, the ultimate symbol of the young flowering girl (tied with the horse), a great ally of Man in the underwater depths, adorable little squeaker of the oceans! We all grew up repeating to ourselves that "a dolphin can save a human from drowning and even from a shark because they are stronger than them!" ". What we are not told, however, is why dolphins take the trouble to save humans. Why so much interest in our species? Where does this predisposition to swim with us and jump through hoops for an unhappy herring come from? Dolphins are disgusting beings, full of bad intentions. Well hidden behind their image of enchanted mermaids who are friends of lost children, they spend their time committing horrible misdeeds.

Dolphins, these bloodthirsty murderers

These little hippies of the seas, whom we readily imagine hopping at the whim of the waves all day long, greeting humans on their way, against the background of the Hawaiian guitar, are actually dangerous psychopaths. Dolphins only need one reason to kill: because it's funny. This is the only scientific explanation that has been provided (truthful). Their favorite victims? Porpoises.

Dolphins are indeed well known for beating porpoises to death to pass the time, after chasing them laughing like maniacs (some details of this article may be altered by the author's feelings). It is common that they also spend long periods of time playing with the corpses of their victims. When scientists looked into stranded and damn baited porpoises, they first thought it was humans. Teeth marks, damaged organs and broken bones soon revealed the terrible secret of dolphins.

But they also sometimes kill their fellow humans, after all, why stop at the neighbors when you can also massacre your own family and friends. It is common to see a dolphin mom kill her baby dolphin for example. Sharks take it up in the face (I'm the first to spit on them) but the real tyrants of the seas are dolphins.

Dolphins, these sexual whackers

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by Obamot » 28/05/13, 22:13

Nice find Christophe!

I like ... Funny, because the article shows an unexpected aspect, or:

"How an American pseudo-scientist shows himself incapable of confining himself purely as an observer, having totally lost the ability to step back ” because completely indoctrinated by the dominant ideology which dictates his conduct and his conscience, and leads him to make a moral judgment on the behavior of an animal species! By believing that he is right, simply because he would compare what he sees to the human model (which has absolutely nothing to do, in any field ...)

Unsuspected aspect, because it is typically and curiously, the same hegemonic approach of Americans in the world without any respect for other humans who can be the opposite of what they are. Unable to put distance between their own baggage and acquired, and those of others, when they practice their "foreign politic".

Unable to understand that an animal species also has its own assets, said in human language: its own very different rules and customs, other codes of conduct, other priorities, other manifestation of the gregarious instinct, d other way of communicating, in short a whole other "foreign politic" a fringe not even significant of all species of dolphins (this is also instinctively, it cannot in any case affirm as it is supposed, that there is a "conscious and intellectual reflection"in this animal, as we understand it we ...)

Besides, what does he know, it is HIS interpretation, it is perhaps the female who called others to the rescue, he knows STRICTLY NOTHING! He does not speak the "dolphin" ^^
And nothing in its observations, allows to judge this animal as specifically dangerous for human beings! (Historically it is recognized that it would be the opposite ...)

And besides, how can he judge, is it not the own animal model of dolphins, which has allowed this species to survive to the present day? As is the case, surely the model which he wrongly criticizes is the right one!

Have clearly seen beyond Aglantique, to what extent the cultural, religious, cultural or what do I know - can in some cases and with certain people - to the point of making them lose all critical regard for their own academic / university achievements.

What a lack of humility and discernment.
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