Breaks $ 350 million ... virtual money: bitcoin!

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by Grelinette » 15/03/15, 14:17

Excuse my naivety and my lack of culture ... but I react to the subject because by reading the definition of bitcoin on wikipedia, we learn that this currency is based on a mathematical and computer algorithm creating,

Firstly,
a tamper-evident cryptographic signature,

And on the other hand,
"Each bitcoin is identified by its history from its creation until the present date an agent holds it, through all the transactions in which this bitcoin is involved and which are recognized by the cryptographic signatures which thus endorse it" .. .

If I understand correctly, each Bitcoin that is exchanged carries, in its cryptographic signature, all the transactions to which it has been the subject. In short, all its way and its history since "its introduction on the market"!

In short, how can stolen bitcoins come back to the market after having been stolen knowing that this fraudulent transaction necessarily appears in the "identity and journey" of said bitcoin? ... : Shock:
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by phil53 » 15/03/15, 18:57

Bitcoin is a bit like the MLM channels which were enormously successful at the start of the internet.
(This phenomenon also existed before the internet but with much less importance)
The rich are always one step ahead of the exploitation of others
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by Flytox » 07/10/16, 21:50

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by Christophe » 12/11/17, 12:50

Really?


Each bitcoin transaction requires as many kilowatt hours as an American household over a week, according to specialist Digiconomist.

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215 kilowatt hours per operation

Currently, there are around 300.000 transactions per day with bitcoin. Based on the overall consumption of the network and taking into account the number of transactions made in 24 hours, an operation with bitcoin therefore requires on average 215 kilowatt hours (KWh) of energy.

For comparison, an American household consumes on average 901 kilowatt hours per month, as the American administration indicates. At 215 kilowatt hours (KWh), a single bitcoin operation therefore requires as many kilowatt hours ... as an American home over 7 days! More generally, this means that the energy consumed in one year by bitcoin could power 2,35 million American households.

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by Christophe » 27/11/17, 11:47

Bitcoin is breaking caps at the moment, but nothing is going up to heaven, for those who (still) have a little savings I thinkInvesting today in 2 Ethereum and Litecoin outsiders is a good thing ...

A serious market place is https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a1be233f790260106894f58
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by Christophe » 29/11/17, 13:46

For those who do not believe it, the reasoning is quite simple ...

Do you prefer to leave your money in the bank for 1% annually... or place it at 2 to 3% per day?

Where's the risk? The banks are starting to invest in it and that is why it will go up again ... well ...

Obviously you shouldn't play bitcoins with the money you need to live ...

Litcoin evolution this week + 40% in one week ...

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by Christophe » 29/11/17, 14:43

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by moinsdewatt » 29/11/17, 20:31

Christophe wrote:The courses will explode !!


Its energy consumption also:

Bictoin cryptocurrency uses more electricity than 159 states worldwide

By Sarah Sermondadaz on 29.11.2017 sciencesetavenir.fr

The price of Bitcoin is soaring ... and its energy cost too. A study reveals that the cryptocurrency required 30,25 TWh of electricity in 2017, a consumption higher than that of 159 countries.

Driven by speculation, the value of the Bitcoin cryptocurrency exceeded the 10.000 dollar mark (around 8.400 euros) per unit at the end of November 2017. But at the same time as its monetary rate, it is also its electricity consumption which flies. A phenomenon which is due above all to the decentralized nature of cryptocurrency (and in particular blockchain technology): each financial exchange must be validated by the various computers on the network which intervened earlier in the transaction chain. This involves the calculation of cryptographic evidence, requiring great computing power. In total, 30,25 TWh were consumed for Bitcoin this year, i.e. an instantaneous power of 3,4 GW. This represents more than the national consumption of 159 countries (represented below), including for example Morocco, Hungary, or even Lebanon! This is what a study of the Digiconomist site relates, based on the latest figures

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Map of the 159 countries that consume less electricity than Bitcoin

A decentralized network that consumes more than traditional banking transactions

Bitcoin would only represent 6,74% of French electricity consumption, but it should be remembered that France is the 10th country to consume the most electricity in the world, behind South Korea and ahead of the United Kingdom,

according to figures from 2014. But the same comparison, applied to other countries, is less flattering: the cryptocurrency network would represent more than 41% of Austrian electricity consumption and more than 2000% (!) that of Mali. But less than 1% of that of China, the country with the most "Bitcoin farms" ...

INCENTIVES. What is a Bitcoin "farm" (or mine)? In reality, the calculation of the cryptographic proof, which is used to certify the validity of a transaction and to ensure that it has not been falsified by a smart guy (who could for example seek to grant himself a Bitcoin credit) by tracing the history of previous transactions, can be done by any computer. After a certain number of validations, the computer receives a reward in Bitcoin. A serious incentive that has presided over the creation, over the past 5 years, of computer networks exclusively dedicated to this end ... But the operation is only profitable as long as the price of Bitcoin is high, and the sufficiently low cost of electricity. Today, on average, these "cyber-miners" must pay 60% of their earnings to supply electricity.

This is the very structure of blockchain technology that makes it so energy consuming. In order to prove this point, Digiconomist compared the cost of Bitcoin to that of a conventional banking transaction system like VISA. Result: Bitcoin's power consumption is about 56 times that of the VISA system! And this, without even correcting the calculation by the number of transactions carried out, more important for Visa. To think about, at a time when blockchain is presented as revolutionary: decentralized networks will only work wonders if new, more efficient validation algorithms are designed.

https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/high-te ... nde_118729
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by Christophe » 29/11/17, 21:24

Yes, the energy aspect of mining is another concern ... And it is true that we can ask ourselves "what are all these calculations for, therefore all this expenditure of energy ... just for speculation?"

After an interesting calculation would be to assess the energy intensity of bitcoin i.e. how many $ are produced per kWh spent ... in other words: with an average machine, how many kWh or rather MWh is needed to mine a bitcoin?

As the rating of bitcoin is very high at the moment, not sure that the energy intensity is so bad ...

Compare with: energies-fossil-nuclear / oil-and-GDP-by-country-intensity-energetics-t5022.html
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by Christophe » 10/12/17, 11:15

A very interesting and not too long article on financial bubbles: https://www.lesechos.fr/finance-marches ... 137044.php
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