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Re: Scientific negationism: dogmatism?




by Janic » 24/03/17, 08:57

No error, just a new judgment which only confirms the low risks of contamination largely exaggerated by big pharma proVIH.

You are badly informed because justice does not have the role of making this type of evaluation.
in France maybe, but America is not France and so it was done in the judgment!
And it depends on different parameters

This site is interesting, but some figures are contradictory: thus:
Per 1000 sex acts without a condom when the HIV-positive partner is not receiving treatment, between 1 and 1,8 transmissions occur
The HIV-positive partner does not follow treatment, the risk of transmission of HIV by sexual act is 0,0014, that is to say that 1 infection would occur every 714 acts. Considering the margin of error for this result, it appears that a transmission would occur between 555 acts (lower bound of the risk) and 1000 sexual acts (upper bound of the risk).
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Which for the 19290 sexual acts analyzed with 1 to 1.8 transmissions per 1000, this should give between 19 minimum cases and 107 maximum and not 182.
Similarly 1/714 was to give 27 cases and not 182.
In addition on the first table for unprotected 60190 this should have given:
60190: 714 = 84 cases and not 182
Find out where it goes wrong! Wouldn't there be a tendency to overdo it or mix it up. (from 27 to 182!) :?:
In addition, by what means were these HIV positive determined since the Elisa and Western Blot tests are not sufficiently reliable (according to the FDA) with their frequent false positives.
The other aspect that does not appear in these studies is the number of different partners and the state of health of each individual concerned. (we can assume that 182 contaminations took place with at least 182 different partners and therefore at risk of transmission of various STDs acting on the immune system.)
In fact, given antivirals (whose side effects are "forgotten") can have an effect on other pathologies and reduce the viral load independently of real or suspected HIV. Because, in fact, it is the antibodies that are measured, not the presence of a particular virus, as well as the drop in the CD4 count which is not specific to HIV but to weakened immunity. [*]
We should reread all the literature that analyzes the subject and especially that which challenges the official versions of big pharma and given just before!
HIV stands for: human immunodeficiency virus

On the other hand, it is possible to set a threshold from which this risk is considered to be so small that it no longer really exists. If it is decided that the risk no longer exists when the upper limit is of the order of 1 per 100.000 sexual acts, it becomes necessary to analyze 250.000 sexual acts under the conditions described, which seems difficult to achieve in view of the duration of follow-up to be implemented around the people and the costs generated by such a study.
and we join the statistics estimated by WHO.

[*]Generalities
Cellular immunity associates lymphocytes and macrophages (a variety of white blood cells capable of absorbing and then destroying particles directly after having digested them).

It involves other white blood cells, and more particularly T lymphocytes which act by secreting substances of a protein nature, cytokines capable of exerting cytotoxic properties (destroying cells).

This type of immunity includes rejection and transplant reactions, graft versus host reactions, and delayed hypersensitivity reactions. Usually the ratio between the number of T. 4 + lymphocytes and the number of T. 8 + lymphocytes is 1,6 ± 0,5. This ratio is reduced in certain pathologies, accompanied by a depression of immunity. It's the case inter alia, AIDS or when an individual undergoes treatment with cyclosporine (immunosuppressive drug).

http://www.vulgaris-medical.com/encyclo ... cyte-t-cd4
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Re: Scientific negationism: dogmatism?




by izentrop » 24/03/17, 23:33

What are you looking for ? discredit the severity of AIDS? sidaction is a problem for you? https://don.sidaction.org/
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Re: Scientific negationism: dogmatism?




by Janic » 25/03/17, 09:05

What are you looking for ?

The truth !
discredit the severity of AIDS?

AIDS in reality!
Montagnier, the inventor of HIV (which must be distinguished from AIDS, which few people do) explains that this "virus", like any other, can be eliminated by an adapted lifestyle. But as much as he went to the skies for this discovery, he was discredited for having made this reflection full of common sense, however, and verified in the field for all viruses.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... %A9+montag
sidaction is a problem for you?
What poses a problem for me, and it should be the same for everyone, is the lie intended to reassure frightened populations, of course, but which is far removed from the independent reality of the business that has developed from this fear.
As a reminder, some of which have had memory lapses, the fear of being infected by this AIDS (poorly known by the way) meant that people did not even dare to touch each other, kiss, have children, etc. 1994 Clémentine Célarié “dares” to kiss an open-mouthed “AIDS patient” to put an end to this myth of transmission by saliva, then the scandal of tainted blood
These initiatives like sidaction are full of generosity, like others, and its participants hope to contribute to reducing and even helping to eradicate this type of problem and their generosity cannot be doubted.
But between this act of faith and the reality that hides behind this hype around a simple virus, rather a retrovirus, which essentially benefits pharmaceutical laboratories and which ignores the history that made this pathology a kind of plague middle aged, starting from a simple assumption of existence between a virus found and a pathology unrelated to it.
But if we look carefully, 110 people benefiting from costly treatment between 000 and 1000 euros / month, this still gives a jackpot of 1500 to 110 euros / month just for pharmaceutical companies, without us really knowing how much this production treatment costs and therefore what is the real benefit of laboratories, and that for France! Over a year we have a gain of 1 billion 320 million to 1 billion 980 million euros! To which must be added the cost of follow-up with a doctor and regular blood tests. Fortunately for patients, in France, these treatments are fully reimbursed by Social Security, under an ALD (Long-term illness).
Learn more about http://lesmoutonsenrages.fr/2013/04/15/ ... H9o3AXf.99

Assuming that the various associations (Sidaction, aid, act-up, crips, AIDS solidarity, etc ... [*]) collect for 10.000.000 funds this represents only 5 to 7 per 1000 of the turnover of the labs and would they not have the means to devote such a small sum to AIDS research without needing these associations? While the profits will be widely distributed to shareholders (like l'Oréal or Total who know where to make a maximum profit): who are we kidding? Where is there a scandal? Why is no one reacting to this situation?

[*] Http://www.doctissimo.fr/html/sante/mag_2002/sem02/mag1129/dossier/sa_6152_sida_femmes_contacts_associations.htm

PS: small correction on the contamination previously seen:
Which for the 19290 sexual acts analyzed with 1 to 1.8 transmissions per 1000, this should give between 19 minimum cases and 107 maximum and not 182.
It goes without saying that these are not 107 cases maximum but 35 cases, very far from the 182 indicated: but where are they going to look for all this? :?:
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Re: Scientific negationism: dogmatism?




by Janic » 25/03/17, 09:55

a little more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCLZmFgTRyE
Dr. Peter Gotzsche denounces the pharmaceutical industry! : Evil:
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by izentrop » 26/03/17, 10:06

Janic wrote:AIDS in reality!
Montagnier, the inventor of HIV (which must be distinguished from AIDS, which few people do) explains that this "virus", like any other, can be eliminated by an adapted lifestyle. But as much as he went to the skies for this discovery, he was discredited for having made this reflection full of common sense, however, and verified in the field for all viruses.
HIV is not an invention, but a discovery made by Jean-Claude Chermann and his team. Luc Montagnier recovered the honors by manipulation as he knows how to do.

We are not fooled by his latest research intended to legitimize the homeopathy that is dear to you. http://www.charlatans.info/news/L-etude ... nier-sur-l
http://seroposition.canalblog.com/archi ... 88218.html

Pure scientific negationism. : Evil:
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Re: Scientific negationism: dogmatism?




by Janic » 26/03/17, 13:40

HIV is not an invention, but a discovery made by Jean-Claude Chermann and his team. Luc Montagnier recovered the honors by manipulation as he knows how to do. [*]

so that a discoverer can protect it, it must protect it by a patent and this discovery, to be patented, is qualified as an invention.
We are not fooled by his latest research intended to legitimize the homeopathy that is dear to you. http://www.charlatans.info/news/L-etude ... deny-on-l

(Quacks (this is how they define themselves by this site!) Who make value judgments on their "fellows", that does not weigh heavily in the balance!) As for the criticisms made (not all not without common sense) they are biased by their form as for the substance and which have already been examined.

what is dear to me are the non-aggressive methods of care to use as a priority and homeopathy is only a small part of it.
Then when Montagnier affirms that this "virus" does not escape the great rules of physiology and therefore of the immune system, he does not refer (and he is not the only one in this case since it dates at least from Hippocrates through Claude Bernard more recently) to homeopathy, neither in general nor in particular, but to numerous works on HLA.
Pure scientific negationism
Where is the negationism in this case there?
You should change the disc, it must be worn and scratched as it lacks novelty.

[*] This is not new! Pasteur took the discovery of the rabies vaccine for himself, when he was not the discoverer (it is the doctor who collaborated with him who deserves the credit) but we retained that the name of Pasteur is the game of human influences. Similarly, when an industrialist applies for a patent in his name (that of his firm) he has nothing to do with it and the credit always goes to the engineers, technicians of the design office and other researchers, but only his name is retained. . Such is life!

NB: on the other hand I see that you do not react (as usual!) To the fanciful figures of the site that you indicated, nor your opinion on the scandal that it is necessary to appeal to the generosity of the public to compensate for the lack of compassion from Big pharma who prefers to pay big dividends to wealthy shareholders.
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Re: Scientific negationism: dogmatism?




by izentrop » 27/03/17, 10:12

Janic wrote:
We are not fooled by his latest research intended to legitimize the homeopathy that is dear to you. http://www.charlatans.info/news/L-etude ... nier-sur-l
(Quacks (this is how they define themselves by this site!) Who make value judgments on their "fellows", that does not weigh heavily in the balance!) As for the criticisms made (not all not without common sense) they are biased by their form as for the substance and which have already been examined.
No no, it's zetetics, sources to support.
Everything is verifiable by oneself, on condition of putting one's received ideas and beliefs aside, as https://www.psiram.com/fr/ et https://www.facebook.com/groups/zetetiq ... VIH%20Sida
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by Janic » 27/03/17, 13:45

(Quacks (this is how they define themselves by this site!) Who make value judgments on their "fellows", that does not weigh heavily in the balance!) As for the criticisms made (not all not without common sense) they are biased by their form as for the substance and which have already been examined.

No no, it's zetetics, sources to support. [*]
Everything is self-verifiable, provided you put your preconceptions and beliefs asideas an https://www.psiram.com/fr/ et https://www.facebook.com/groups/zetetiq ... HIV% 20AIDS

you should start there by putting your received ideas and beliefs in the trash directly! : Cry:
Your zigotos are like fans in politics who see only qualities in their points of view and faults in those of their opponents.
The zetetic you idolize would like to kidnap "science" for her own benefit by claiming to be the absolute reference in this area, as the Catholic Church did in her time (we don't make cats with dogs) with its out of the church no salvation, replaced by" out of zetetics point of salvation" as well.

"Since scientists are supposed to produce truth about the world [... they must] restore the achievements of science in areas where these achievements could positively contribute to solving problems that have reached public consciousness. But the most useful function, in more than one case, would be to dissolve false or ill-posed problems. [… On television,] false philosophers [… take] false problems [scientists proposed in the program] seriously. [… ⇒] rapid philosophical intervention commandos would be needed to destroy the false [scientific] problems, to make Wittgenstein in everyday life and especially in the media »
- Pierre Bourdieu, The Social Uses of Science8, p. 71

"Faced with TV, there would have to be a kind of civic resistance movement [...] against the generalized imposition of issues [go see the qualifiers mentioned directly!]"
- Pierre Bourdieu, op. cit. 8, p. 76

Same thing as before, they want to be criteria of the good problems which they will define according to their only criteria, obviously.
The media have many faults, which I criticize myself for their haste to make news that sells. However, only totalitarian regimes want to impose indisputable criteria, according to their point of view, and in fact censor everything else.

https://spoirier.lautre.net/secte-zetetique
sectarian aberrations in zetetics
NB: I remind you that you have 16 + 5 questions awaiting answers or do you prefer to preserve these lies, which suggests everything you write or quote! :?:

Now in bulk:
http://www.catie.ca/fr/feuillets-info/d ... e-vih#naat
HIV testing technologies

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001431.htm
western blot
Standards of interpretation that require the identification of bands from each of the three groups of gene products tend to have indeterminate results for some AIDS and other symptomatic patients due to the absence of antibodies to p24 (n = 5) or p31 (n = 14) Or the absence of the two types of antibody (n = 2). Since these patients are clearly infected with HIV, the three-gene approach to the interpretation of the Western blot is not sensitive enough for public health or clinical practice.

http://www.inserm.fr/thematiques/immunologie-inflammation-infectiologie-et-microbiologie/dossiers-d-information/vih-et-sida
Clinical and therapeutic research
To heal patients, researchers aim to induce immunity to eliminate the virus, or at least control the infection without the need for lifelong treatment. For this they are closely interested in patient populations who resist infection, spontaneously or after interruption of treatment.
• Treatment interruptions
A small number of people treated early, for 4 to 7 years, who stopped their treatment have become 'resistant' to the virus: they do not relapse in the years following the interruption of antiretroviral treatment and their viral load remains undetectable for at least ten years, after only three years of treatment. Researchers are interested in these cases in an attempt to identify the factors that guarantee the absence of relapse in the event of treatment interruption (VISCONTI study at the ANRS). They estimate that around 10% of patients could be affected. The first data suggest that these people spontaneously have few viral reservoirs in their cells, thanks to a particular innate immunity.
• HIV controllers
Less than 1% of people naturally control HIV infection without therapeutic intervention. They keep an undetectable or very moderate viral load for more than ten years and their CD4 T lymphocyte count remains high. Researchers are trying to identify the mechanisms that allow these people to resist the virus. They have already shown that they have particularly efficient CD8 T lymphocytes, which recognize and suppress cells infected with HIV. Resistance of the target cells, limiting their infection with HIV, has also been demonstrated. These exceptional properties are said to be of genetic origin.

http://www.inserm.fr/thematiques/physio ... x-medicaux
Paradoxically, our societies are also faced with the problem of malnutrition. Nutritional deficiencies are estimated to still cause the annual death of 3 million children each year, mostly in developing countries. But undernutrition also affects 40% of patients suffering from chronic diseases, 30 to 50% of hospitalized patients (all pathologies combined), aggravating the morbidity as well as the mortality of the subjects. Normal aging is also accompanied by frequent disruption of food intake leading to various deficiencies.
Bone and joint pathologies are also an object of concern for the French, notably due to the aging of the population. They alone represent half of chronic pathologies after 65 years and are an important cause of disability (osteoarthritis is the second factor of disability in men, the fourth in women). One in four women and one in eight men over the age of 50 will be affected by osteoporosis during their lifetime.
Skin diseases include a share of allergic conditions (atopic dermatitis, contact eczema, occupational dermatoses, photoallergies, hives and skin accidents due to the general administration of a drug (toxidermies)) and a share of chronic inflammatory conditions (psoriasis, atopic dermatitis, alopecia areata ...). Among these, psoriasis, affects between two and three million people in France and is associated with a significant deterioration in the quality of life, often resulting in a serious social handicap. The impact of this dermatosis on quality of life is as important as that caused by asthma, diabetes or chronic ischemic heart disease. The social cost of psoriasis is therefore considerable. The aging of the population is accompanied by an increased frequency of chronic vascular wounds of the lower limbs. Their management is complex and must be multidisciplinary, ideally within the framework of healthcare networks led by dermatologists specialized in the area of ​​wound healing.


[*] the majority of dissidents are top scientists too, so it's a comparison between different points of view that take place and not any superstitions. Professor Duesberg (discoverer of retroviruses and unanimously recognized by his profession) was among the first to challenge the HIV / AIDS relationship, on a scientific level alone, for lack of documents that could scientifically attest to the presence of HIV in AIDS cases observed (even if he changed his position a little at the time!) A bonus of 100.000 dollars was promised to who would prove it and this bonus, with supporting evidence, was not claimed by anyone . Professor Harven, a microbiologist, never found a real retro virus in question under a microscope and even after asking to examine the strain used by the Montagnier team, which had disappeared as if by chance, etc.
So your laughs in zetetics, your skeptics, your pseudo sciences, are no match for science.
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Re: Scientific negationism: dogmatism?




by Janic » 11/04/18, 16:47

https://www.msf.fr/communiques-presse/v ... rs-de-prix
HIV: the price of antiretrovirals is falling, but 'catch-up' treatments remain unaffordable
PRESS RELEASE

JULY 21, 2016 - UPDATED ON MARCH 26, 2018



HIV / AIDS, continuing the fight against a deadly epidemic
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'Third line' drugs cost 18 times more expensive than those used as first-line. Competition from generic producers has reduced the price of antiretrovirals by 90% in fifteen years. But trade deals and pressure on India, the 'pharmacy of developing countries', may jeopardize these advances.

MSF is presenting today at the international HIV / AIDS conference in Durban, South Africa, the 18th edition of its report on the prices of HIV treatments, “Untangling the web of antiretroviral price reductions”. This report documents the drop in prices for old treatments, while the new treatments remain overpriced.

The lowest price for a first-line fixed-dose combination [1] is $ 100 (about € 90) per person per year. This represents a decrease of 26% since 2014. Second-line treatment [2] costs at least 286 dollars (258 euros) per person per year - 11% less than two years ago .

These prices continue to fall thanks to competition from producers of generic drugs in certain key countries, such as India. However, the price of the most recent drugs - necessary for patients who no longer have other treatment options - remains very high, in particular because of the monopoly exercised by the pharmaceutical companies.

The lowest price for a so-called 'catch-up' treatment [3] is $ 1 (€ 859) per person per year, 1 times more than a first-line treatment, and more than six times more expensive than second-line treatments. The price for a 'catch-up' treatment has decreased by only 681% since 18. These prices represent the lowest prices available worldwide, but many countries, especially those called 'middle-income', are buying these drugs at much higher prices, pharmaceutical patents not allowing them to have access to generic drugs.

"We need to be able to access the new therapeutic combinations that patients will need in the future," explains Dr. Vivian Cox, MSF project lead doctor in Eshowe, South Africa. We must press now to be sure that in the future we will not experience another crisis of access to antiretrovirals like that of the 90s and 2000s. ”

In developing countries, the number of people needing 'catch-up' treatment is relatively small today. However, the increasing use of viral load measurement to monitor treatment makes it possible to identify more patients who are in therapeutic failure, patients who must therefore receive another combination of drugs. In MSF HIV projects, the number of patients receiving 'second line' treatment has almost doubled since 2013.

India, the world's largest producer of generic HIV drugs, represents 'pharmacy in developing countries'; more than 97% of the antiretroviral treatments used by MSF in its programs are Indian generic medicines. India's pharmaceutical patent policy is very strict, which has allowed competition between generics producers, and in turn has led to a 99% decrease in the price of first-line treatments - by $ 10 (about € 000). ) per person and annually in 2000, around 100 dollars (around 90 euros) today. [*]

Today the United States, supported by their pharmaceutical lobby, is pressuring India to revise its current patent policy. Other countries, such as the European Union, Japan and South Korea, are negotiating trade agreements that would restrict the production of affordable medicines.

« India is facing pressing demands to 'turn off the tap' on affordable medicines, says Leena Menghaney, head of MSF's Access to Essential Medicines Campaign (CAME) in South Asia. But the Indian government must resist pressure from states and pharmaceutical companies and not change its patent laws and policies. Indian generics are vital for millions of people in India, but also in all developing countries. ”

[*] for comparison, the price of treatment for "AIDS" in France is 1.000 to 1.500 euros PER MONTH plus visits to the doctor and blood tests.
What a scandal! : Evil:
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Re: Scientific negationism: dogmatism?




by izentrop » 12/04/18, 19:34

Nothing to do with the subject, it's just a big deal. : Mrgreen:
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