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by sen-no-sen » 09/12/15, 11:14

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As for any healthy carrier! This does not answer why these carriers are healthy and no others as noted by your site INSERM cited. Hence the usefulness of a good preventive and curative lifestyle.


The hygiene of life is secondary, in all the epidemics (even Ebola) there are populations developing resistance.
We find the same thing in all forms of life, it is one of the main engine of natural selection.


This is not a miracle, but probably these false positives that are more numerous than some believe.


There are actually misdiagnosis, but my remark is about a sick person and severely affected who recover spontaneously (cancer, leukemia, neurodegenerative diseases etc ..).


This same type of discourse can be found with vaccines that are attributed success where a vaccine is mandatory, and therefore widespread, and countries with the same level of health where the results are similar without vaccines.


which?

Always the same thing, it is supposed to be consecutive to the previous taking of anti retrovirus, but does not envisage in any way that without these anti the result would have been the same.


Ben still in full negationism, the facts are never the facts, so this is your ultimate defense?
Sorry but the numbers completely invalidate your claims ...


In 2013, 575 HIV test results were reported in Switzerland. This was 125 new infections occurred in 2013 and 450 older cases but diagnosed in 2013. Compared to the previous year, the number of new infections has increased by almost 28%. In comparison in the long term, the number is in sharp decline. In particular, thanks to the success of research, including the Swiss HIV Cohort Study, the number of deaths from AIDS has also fallen sharply.

There are currently some 30 AIDS medications, based on 25 active substances and seven different methods of action. 1996-based combination therapy for HIV called Highly Active Antiretroviral Therapy (HAART) helps slow the spread of the virus in the body, alleviates symptoms of infection, slows down the progression of the virus. disease and reduce the risk of transmission. Antiretroviral drugs and qualified medical follow-up can greatly reduce the risk of transmission of the virus from an HIV-positive pregnant woman to the unborn child.

Thanks to these advances and the combination therapies, people living with HIV can lead almost normal lives and their life expectancy has increased significantly in recent years. In the early 1990s, 50% of HIV-positive patients still died within ten years. Today, these patients have an almost normal life expectancy. The Federal Office of Public Health (OFSP) estimates that Switzerland currently has between 22 and 000 people living with HIV.

http://www.interpharma.ch/fr/faits-et-statistiques/2675-succes-enregistres-grace-aux-nouveaux-traitements-antisida
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by Janic » 09/12/15, 13:13

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As for any healthy carrier! This does not answer why these carriers are healthy and no others as noted by your site INSERM cited. Hence the usefulness of a good preventive and curative lifestyle.
The lifestyle is secondary, in all epidemics (even Ebola) there are populations developing resistance.

And this resistance is favored by a better hygiene of life, it is the dog who runs after the tail!
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We find this same type of speech with vaccines that are attributed success where such a vaccine is mandatory, and therefore widespread, and countries of the same health level where the results are similar without vaccines.
.which?

There, you should read the books on the subject that present comparative (official) tables (see the bibliography of the leagues for freedom of vaccination)
1971-1972
England, the USA and Canada stop imposing or recommending smallpox vaccination.
But Mr PONIATOWSKI, Minister, reinforces the fines (27 / 05 / 1973 decree) which become 200 times stronger.

16.03.2010
Since this Wednesday and the acquittal of a young couple Lessinois court in Tournai, polio vaccine is no longer mandatory in Belgium.

The decision rendered on Wednesday noon by the court of Tournai implies that the vaccine against polio is no longer mandatory in Belgium. As a reminder, the courts accused a couple in the Netherlands of not having had their child vaccinated against polio. The couple was acquitted on Wednesday, which has the direct result of canceling the law of 1966. From now on, it is the law of 2002 which will prevail. This gives patients the right to be vaccinated or not. The decision of the Tournai court could also have repercussions in France, now the only country where the vaccine is mandatory.

Mandatory vaccines: and at our neighbors?
In terms of vaccination, European parents of young children are not housed in the same boat. In France, vaccines against diphtheria, tetanus and poliomyelitis (the famous DTP) are all mandatory for infants from the age of two months. With Italy, which requires it to bend to the hepatitis B vaccine since 1991, France is the only country to maintain the mandatory nature of these injections. As for Belgium, it canceled the obligation of the polio vaccine in 2011,

http://initiativecitoyenne.be/2015/08/u ... lique.html
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Always the same thing, it is supposed to be consecutive to the previous taking of anti retrovirus, but does not envisage in any way that without these anti the result would have been the same.
Ben still in full negationism, the facts are never the facts, so this is your ultimate defense?
Compared to your Holocaust denial, where the facts are never the facts, it's a refrain!
Sorry but the numbers completely invalidate your claims ...
TES numbers, provided by lobbies, but there are others who are independent of the lobbies imposing their desiderata to the rulers.
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In 2013, 575 HIV positive test results were reported in Switzerland. …… .The Federal Office of Public Health (OFSP) estimates that Switzerland currently has between 22 and 000 people living with HIV.
http://www.interpharma.ch/fr/faits-et-s ... s-antisida
And free pub for the pharmaceutical lobby. The reasons for these figures have been indicated previously, but if you do not want to consult them, it's your choice! These tests considered worthless by the CDC! AIDS is a huge business, numbering in the tens; hundreds of billions, it is not bigpharma who will complain because money does not smell. (profits distributed to shareholders of 3.5 at 4.4 billion Euros by Sanofi Pasteur) Sanofi Pastor
Very profitable, in 2014 it distributed 4,39 billion euros in dividends to its shareholders (13% of turnover or 91% of R&D) on a net income of 6,85 billion euros (20% of turnover) 3. Second market capitalization on the Paris stock exchange2, in September it weighed 10,90% in the CAC 409 index
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by sen-no-sen » 09/12/15, 13:51

Janic wrote:And this resistance is favored by a better hygiene of life, it is the dog who runs after the tail!


It is above all a question of genetic inheritance, the hygiene of life is if necessary important but subsidiary.


There, you should read the books on the subject that present comparative (official) tables (see the bibliography of the leagues for freedom of vaccination)


The cessation of vaccination (for some diseases) in different countries is to be related to the disappearance pure and simple of certain disease.
In France, for example, we continue to vaccinate against polio, some doctors consider that this is no longer necessary.
A distinction must be made between the effectiveness of vaccines in the face of a disease and the risk benefit of vaccinations against diseases that have almost disappeared.


YOUR figures, provided by lobbies, but there are others who are independent of lobbies imposing their desiderata to the rulers.


Well give them to me.



The reasons for these figures have been indicated previously, but if you do not want to consult them, it's your choice!


Sorry but the numbers (precisely which ones?) You are referring to can not explain the decline in mortality among people with AIDS.
If there is no HIV, how can antiretrovirals work?

You still have not demonstrated that the return to a healthy lifestyle would have cured patients.
I'm still waiting for testimonials, links, sources ...

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by Janic » 09/12/15, 14:42

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And this resistance is favored by a better hygiene of life, it is the dog who runs after the tail!
It is above all a question of genetic inheritance, the hygiene of life is if necessary IMPORTANT but subsidiary.
Elementary my dear Watson. It's like saying the fuel in the engine is less important than the engine, but the wrong fuel will break the best engines!
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There, you should read the books on the subject that present comparative (official) tables (see the bibliography of the leagues for freedom of vaccination)
The cessation of vaccination (for some diseases) in different countries is to be related to the disappearance pure and simple of certain disease.
This is where the problem lies. These figures and graphs (official) all show downward curves well before the typical vaccines of each pathology and therefore emphasize that vaccines have nothing to do with it, other than to provoke additional pathologies. This is also why, gradually the countries have stopped making the obligation (while some think that the non-obligation means prohibition, which is false) except France with its DTP.
In France, for example, we continue to vaccinate against polio, some doctors consider that this is no longer necessary.
A distinction must be made between the effectiveness of vaccines in the face of a disease and the risk benefit of vaccinations against diseases that have almost disappeared.
Classical pediatricians have ended up getting the BCG vaccine no longer imposed (not even the leagues for vaccine freedom) This is true for all three, not just polio. Diphtheria? Missing in France
The disease has dramatically decreased in all European countries, after 1950, consistently, whether we have vaccinated a lot or not at all. (Source: Rendu, R., "Comparative results of vaccination and non-vaccination in the fight against diphtheria", Journal of Medicine of Lyon, No. 819, 1954.) Tetanus? almost non-existent and striking almost only the old men and as the vaccine does not protect over a long period, this vaccine has no real use! Polio? Almost gone too! The abolition of frontiers, the incessant passage from one country to another, render any national protection impossible. However, according to the authorities, which you like to quote, for a protection to be effective, a coverage of at least 80% is required, which is impossible to obtain (except locally in certain circumstances). smallpox vaccination recognized by WHO.
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YOUR figures, provided by lobbies, but there are others who are independent of lobbies imposing their desiderata to the rulers.
Well give them to me.

http://www.sidasante.com/azt/statistiqu ... suisse.htm
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The reasons for these figures have been indicated previously, but if you do not want to consult them, it's your choice!
Sorry but the numbers (precisely which ones?) You are referring to can not explain the decline in mortality among people with AIDS.
Explanations given here again
http://www.sidasante.com/azt/aztindex.htm
If there is no HIV, how can antiretrovirals work?
Rebelotte see above and in the video cited. The action of antiretroviruses, the toxicity of which is certain, is confused with its progressive decrease, which has actually caused fewer pathologies and therefore deaths. (see tables from Switzerland). The reduction of a toxic product with the supposed effects (pick for example) then its suppression systematically results in a decrease of the pathologies concerned, like others, caused by these products.
You still have not demonstrated that the return to a healthy lifestyle would have cured patients.

The 30 November 2004, the BBC Two, aired a documentary called "Guinea Pig Kids" (Children's Guinea Pigs) reported by the journal Realities and Immunizations.
Jamie Doran, reporter for BBC Two, interviewed many parents and loved ones and was able to obtain some medical records that unequivocally prove the children's active participation in these trials.
A little earlier the article said p.24
Founded in 1987 to collect poor children from drug-addicted mothers, it (the ICC) has become, in 1992, a center of experiments on orphans who are HIV-positive. It is indirectly sponsored by the National Institute of Health and by pharmaceutical companies ...
Until now nothing is abnormal, is not it to help children with this dirty disease to cope. Except that the investigation led to something less noble.
This nurse (Jacklyn Hoerger) worked for the ICC in the early 90 years. In 1996, she embarked on a process of adopting two HIV-positive children ... she administered the dosages prescribed "literally" for about a year and was led to note the deterioration of the health status of the two girls . That's when she decided to do research on anti-retroviral drugs and to consult many specialists, and then, with that information, she committed the unforgivable crime of taking drugs away from children, which immediately improved their health and turned their anguish into a joy of life... The Children's Aid Center took the children away from their adoptive mother and sent them to a foster home.
And further on p.28
Mona Newberg, a New York public school teacher with a master's degree in education ... managed to get Sean out of the CCI. He was three years old and taking AZT since the age of 5 months. Since 2 years he was fed through a tube connected to his stomach ... the child was always feverish, often comatose and could not stand more than 10 minutes. It was then that Mona decided to suppress all the drugs. In two months, Sean regained strength, was able to play with other children, and resumed his appetite. Mona had him followed by a naturopath. CCA representatives compelled him to consult Dr. Howard at Beth Israel Hospital. This last ordered while the child is being treated by a new "miracle drug" Nevirapine. Sean's health deteriorated rapidly ... to the point that he was hospitalized 6 months later. When Mona finally brought him home, she stopped taking any medicine. Once again, the child's health improved...
While Mona had just recovered Sean, the doctors decided to put her daughter Dana under drugs, although she did not show any sign of illness ... Since her adoption, she did not take medication, was never sick ... two months Later, the child had a backache and headache, so much so that he had to be taken to the Beth Israel Emergency Department ... The ACS removed Dana from her mother's care and gave it to the ICC. . In November 2004, Dana, then aged 16 years old is still cloistered in the center. Since his childhood Sean is on anti-AIDS drugs. It has 13 years weighs 22 kg and measures just over one meter twenty. The film revealed that this center is not the only one that works in this way.
English newspapers have largely covered the news, but in France the media did not dwell on these horrors ... p.30
The article still quotes the work of Father Angelo d'Agostino
Thus Father Angelo d'Agostino, who founded in Kenya a hospice for orphans considered positive. Without medication, he operated true resurrections in children only with a healthy diet and good hygiene.
It is the same for the extraordinary work done by the association "Sharing Tanzania" which found on the ground that sick children heal whether they are seropositive or seronegative, from the moment they are properly fed and cared for. In cases of serious immunodeficiency, doctors treat opportunistic diseases and various infections and restore immunity through a balanced diet and vitamin supplements. The results are spectacular. Among the 4000 orphans of Partage-Tanzania, mortality is about one-third of national infant mortality and one-quarter of regional infant mortality. p.26
And further on p.33 / 34
Christina Maggiore discovered in 1992 that she was HIV-positive and her doctor explained that she had to prepare to die. When she learned that treatments could make her sick ...she preferred natural therapies that proved very effective because a few months later she was in great shape...
The review also quotes Liam Scheff of the Observer who took over this investigation where she says:
I approach one of the children in a wheelchair, a boy about 12 years old. His face has something odd, his eyes are too far apart and his skull has a strange shape, a little flattened. His torso and limbs are slightly twisted, they appear tiny and fragile. This is what happens to babies treated with AZT. ... a boy on crutches tries to dance to the rhythm of the music. His legs sway under him while his feet form incongruous angles with the ground ... p.33

But as you refuse to consult them as a matter of principle, then why add to it!
I'm still waiting for testimonials, links, sources ...
Already mentioned, just want to read them! But you will not find them, once again, in the official statistics that refuse to recognize him. Let time go by the time that will end up revealing the scandal of this pseudo HIV / AIDS. (except for those who continue to hide their faces ... as usual!)
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by Obamot » 09/12/15, 15:46

sen-no-sen wrote:If there is no HIV, how can antiretrovirals work?

I make some assumptions if we start from the point of view that HIV is a poison / virus (definition of virus = poison).

Remember three things:
- Viruses are quite easy to disable with UV, those who had been exposed to the sun for a long time during the Spanish flu are not dead.
- as they are poisons, like venoms, it is a matter of receptors. Put an inhibitor on the ad hoc receptors, the place being already taken by the latter, the poison can no longer attach to it (the fire is extinguished, but the fire is still smoldering);
- The central issue is the loss of impermeability of the cell membrane. If it happens to be pierced, the virus is in the place. Restore this impermeability, the virus stays out.

It is therefore necessary two things, reduce the amount of poison (viral load = rate of poisoning).
Correct diet and lifestyle so that the impermeability of the cell membrane is restored. (Basically, because we know, it does not imply that that, we must find a good mind, restore the different balances, play sports to metabolize well, find happiness and be optimistic etc ...)

Anti-retrovirals do not work as a treatment but as a one-off treatment (even if we call it treatment). They self-maintain the sick state without changing anything. Worse, they are "disruptors" since they have this inhibitory function ... Finding a natural inhibitor to the disease will have the same effect without side effects. But like when you call the fire station until you remove either fuel or oxidizer, the fire / infection will still smolder ...
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by sen-no-sen » 09/12/15, 15:56

Janic wrote:Elementary my dear Watson. It's like saying the fuel in the engine is less important than the engine, but the wrong fuel will break the best engines!


It's like saying nothing, because your comparison does not represent reality.
Here we do not speak about sport and nutrition, but immune defenses, outside what is noticed in the story, is that a certain number of individuals are protected against diseases due to genetic particularity (see epigenetics ?), regardless of a good or bad lifestyle.



These figures and graphs (official) all show downward curves well before the typical vaccines of each pathology and therefore emphasize that vaccines are not for nothing, otherwise cause additional pathologies. This is also why, gradually the countries have stopped making the obligation (while some think that the non-obligation means prohibition, which is false) except France with its DTP.


All this is very affirmative!
Take the example of measles in the United States:


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Polio in the USA:
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Diphtheria:
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How do you explain that?

The explanation of the decrease in mortality / morbidity in patients with AIDS present here:http://www.sidasante.com/azt/aztindex.htm are inconclusive ... I quote:


“Triple therapies are just old drugs put under other names. The reality is that they are actually mostly drugs with type effects. corticosteroid, but which can, if they are too heavily dosed, have antibiotic-like effects. "
This does not explain the effectiveness of the treatment ... I'm not even talking about the site "What if all you learned about $ IDA was wrong?

Find out what AIDS officials and the media want to hide from you ... "


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Thus Father Angelo d'Agostino, who founded in Kenya a hospice for orphans considered positive. Without medication, he did true resurrections in children only with a healthy diet and good hygiene.
It is the same for the extraordinary work done by the association "Sharing Tanzania" which found on the ground that sick children heal indiscriminately whether they are seropositive or seronegative, from the moment they are properly fed and cared for. In cases of serious immunodeficiency, doctors treat opportunistic diseases and various infections and restore immunity through a balanced diet and vitamin supplements. The results are spectacular. Among the 4000 orphans of Partage-Tanzania, the mortality is about one third of the national infant mortality and a quarter of the regional infant mortality


Again it is free testimony, no proof is provided, it would be enough in fact vitamin supplements and a balanced diet to heal ... will explain this to a patient with AIDS ... it is take some people for idiots.
You seriously think that in France no people with the disease have not tried vitamin supplements, balanced diet, yoga?

You do not seem to make any distinction between medicine and its advanced and the economic recovery that is made, basically all that is official is wrong, no matter are its content and its evidence, the media we lie with the complicities of the policies etc.etc..au final only a good hygiene of life would allow us to guarantee the health and if someone falls sick, it is simple, it is that it did not make what was needed! : Lol:
In short you would like to restore the natural selection?
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by Janic » 10/12/15, 10:22

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Response to the second part, the first on vaccines being on the subject vaccination
The explanation of the decline in mortality / morbidity in AIDS patients present here: http: //www.sidasante.com/azt/aztindex.htm are inconclusive ... I quote:

"Triple therapies are simply old drugs put under other names. The reality is that they are in fact mainly drugs with corticosteroid-like effects, but which can, if they are too heavily dosed, have antibiotic-like effects. "
This doesn't explain how well the treatment works ... I'm not even talking about the site "What if Everything You Learned About $ IDA Was Wrong? Find Out What AIDS Officials and Media Want hide ... "
It's obvious ! If the protesters of any system were the promoters of what they criticize, as well refer directly to the system itself. Have we ever seen the left promote the right or the opposite in politics? Elementary, once again, my dear Watson!
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Thus Father Angelo d'Agostino, who founded in Kenya a hospice for orphans considered positive. Without medication, he did true resurrections in children only with a healthy diet and good hygiene.
It is the same for the extraordinary work done by the association "Sharing Tanzania" which found on the ground that sick children recover indiscriminately that they are HIV-positive or HIV-negative, from the moment they are properly fed and treated. In cases of serious immunodeficiency, doctors treat opportunistic diseases and various infections and restore immunity through a balanced diet and vitamin supplements. The results are spectacular. Among the 4000 orphans of Partage-Tanzania, the mortality is about one third of the national infant mortality and a quarter of the regional infant mortality
Again it is free testimony, no proof is provided, it would be enough in sum of vitamin supplements and a balanced diet to heal ... will explain this to a patient with AIDS ... it is take some people for idiots.
The proof lies in the difference between the previous state of health and after taking control, as for any therapy! Including the wicked allopathy.

Now "heal indiscriminately whether they are seropositive or seronegative »
Obviously, it is not like allopathy that targets a particular pathology independently of the rest; therefore : " from the moment they are properly fed and cared for "Yes!
It is especially to take them for idiots to make them believe that they have a pathology that does not exist!
You seriously think that in France no people with the disease have not tried vitamin supplements, balanced diet, yoga?

Listen, read, what Obamot wrote! People who are diagnosed with AIDS experience intense stress and their fear of panic makes them accept any prescription from their usual doctor, which is itself conditioned by the ad made to the subject. Then turn to supplements goes through a challenge of the system for its inefficiency and it works, but it's rare as people are politically / medially correct. Read the testimonies lived ... THEM!
You do not seem to make any distinction between medicine and its advanced and the economic recovery that is made, basically all that is official is wrong, no matter are its content and its evidence, the media we lie with the complicity of policies etc..etc ..
Open your eyes and ears! Why have we banned (in principle) the links between labs and "scientists" in the orders? Failing to be able to do it for the media! These are the same media that when scandals can no longer be hidden advertisers to the general public. These media are financially dependent on their advertisers and we do not kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. (with very rare exceptions, but then they are not great)
So always in the same confusion! School medicine follows a path that it believes to be the right one and it is its right. But medicine is not limited to this aspect, other equally effective therapies, or even more, exist and freedom of conscience can not limit individuals to submit to the big pharma lobbies.
In the end only a good hygiene of life would allow us to guarantee the health and if someone falls ill, it's simple, it is that it did not do what it was necessary!
Basically, that's good on the condition of not being mistaken on its meaning. If a person smokes and makes lung cancer, mouth, bladder, etc ... it is not the fault of the neighbor. Alcohol alike. The drugs too. Diabetes, cholesterol and others are not the others who are the cause. So everyone is responsible for their actions and lifestyle choices!
In short you would like to restore the natural selection?
It is done without asking the opinion of anyone and school medicine does not prevent it, at most it extends a few years (but at what cost of suffering) but the inevitable is behind !
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by sen-no-sen » 10/12/15, 13:02

Janic wrote:It is especially to take them for idiots to make them believe that they have a pathology that does not exist!


I summarize:
So we touch the bottom of the problem: AIDS does not exist.
At the beginning we talk about the negation of causality between HIV / AIDS, now it's more direct, AIDS is an invention of the pharmaceutical laboratory to sell medicines, it's a conspiracy and a global conspiracy ... sum the AIDS is only the consequence of a bad hygiene of life, it is very strong!

It would be good for you to expose your point of view directly, rather than to hear it by taking a step forward and two steps back. :frown:



People who are diagnosed with AIDS experience intense stress and their fear of panic makes them accept any prescription from their usual doctor, which is itself conditioned by the ad made to the subject. So turning to complements goes through a challenge to the system for its inefficiency and it works, but it is rare that people are subjected to the politically / medially correct. Read the testimonies lived ...


This point of view is very fragmentary and very Western.
The simple effect nocebo can not cause the death of a person via a particular type of pathology.
The psychology of each is different, the evils that can result from a traumatic announcement can be very diverse depending on the individual, so it can not explain the convergence of pathological effect related to this disease
We do not somatize all the same way... because we do not all have the same lives ...


But medicine is not limited to this aspect, other equally effective therapies, or even more, exist and freedom of conscience can not limit individuals to submit to the big pharma lobbies.


Example of Switzerland who is both a great seller of medicines and a great user of healers ...

Basically, that's good on the condition of not being mistaken on its meaning. If a person smokes and makes lung cancer, mouth, bladder, etc ... it is not the fault of the neighbor. Alcohol alike. The drugs too. Diabetes, cholesterol and others are not the others who are the cause. So everyone is responsible for their actions and lifestyle choices!


You have the gifts to say evidences!

Your point of view, however, reflects a total simplism, you believe that the only lifestyle would ensure good health?
So try to hold a stool on one foot! : Lol:
It's still a very western point of view.
Health is not only a matter of lifestyle, but of mental, of relationship to society, environment, genetics, epigenetics and statistics!
Many survivors from death camps or conflict camps have survived - and very old - despite horrible living conditions.
By cons I know athletes, no smoking, eating organic who died in a short time, without the medicine can explain their disappearance via any causal link.

If the hygiene of life is the basic condition for good health, it can not be considered as solution to all the problems, because many of them are original rather obscure.
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by Janic » 10/12/15, 16:29

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Janic wrote:
It is especially to take them for idiots to make them believe that they have a pathology that does not exist!
I summarize:
So we touch the bottom of the problem: AIDS does not exist.

Stop doing the donkey to get some sound. Deficient immune systems are messy, but they are not referred to as HIV-related AIDS, they are IDs only.
At the beginning we talk about the negation of causality between HIV / AIDS, now it's more direct, AIDS is an invention of the pharmaceutical laboratory to sell medicines, it's a conspiracy and a global conspiracy ... sum the AIDS is only the consequence of a bad hygiene of life, it is very strong!

Whatever ! You put up your cinema by ignoring everything that has been said and written since the beginning of the controversy; but if it makes you take your foot with that: good pleasure!
It would be good for you to expose your point of view directly, rather than to hear it by taking a step forward and two steps back.
And you go round in circles! You focus on particular points so as not to respond to other fundamentals.
Then it's not MON point of view, but that of very high-level scientists who have taken a stand!
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People who are diagnosed with AIDS experience intense stress and their fear of panic makes them accept any prescription from their usual doctor, which is itself conditioned by the ad made to the subject. So turning to complements goes through a challenge to the system for its inefficiency and it works, but it is rare that people are subjected to the politically / medially correct. Read the testimonies lived ...
This point of view is very fragmentary and very Western.
The simple nocebo effect can not cause the death of a person via a particular type of pathology.
No, but intoxication by poisons like AZT and its successors: yes! So you still do not want to read the lived testimonials!
The psychology of each is different, the evils that can result from a traumatic announcement can be very diverse depending on the individual, so it can not explain the convergence of pathological effect related to this disease
We do not all somatize the same way ... because we do not all have the same lives ...
That's counter psychology!
Poisoning, he, somatizes everyone; so stress + poisoning, the chances of getting away are slim, even nil.
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But medicine is not limited to this aspect, other equally effective therapies, or even more, exist and freedom of conscience can not limit individuals to submit to the big pharma lobbies.
Example of Switzerland who is both a great seller of medicines and a great user of healers ...
It shows that Pasteur is not their national glory and that they are open to what can relieve or cure the sick. Our school medicine subsidized by big pharma's lobbies should take some seed
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Basically, that's good on the condition of not being mistaken on its meaning. If a person smokes and makes lung cancer, mouth, bladder, etc ... it is not the fault of the neighbor. Alcohol alike. The drugs too. Diabetes, cholesterol and others are not the others who are the cause. So everyone is responsible for their actions and lifestyle choices!
You have the gifts to say evidences!
You have the gift to ask useless questions when the answer goes without saying.
Your point of view, however, reflects a total simplism, you believe that the only lifestyle would ensure good health?
So try to hold a stool on one foot!
Just push it into the ground! A stupid question silly answer. This aspect has already been seen and reviewed, but as you deny the third foot, you are no more advanced with two feet only.
It's still a very western point of view.
Health is not only a matter of lifestyle, but of mental, of relationship to society, environment, genetics, epigenetics and statistics!
This is going to tell a cancer patient at the end of life that it is only a question of statistics, of epigenetics, with that it will certainly heal! Or that it is the announcement of his death assured.
Many survivors from death camps or conflict camps have survived - and very old - despite horrible living conditions.
This shows that the human machine was indeed created to withstand extreme conditions, but the number who left their lives there is much more numerous and & with a little healthy food and adequate living conditions, most would have stayed in. life. You could even add that cancers were almost unknown there as what living in a concentration camp would avoid cancer. Hello three ball logic!
By cons I know athletes, no smoking, eating organic who died in a short time, without the medicine can explain their disappearance via any causal link.
DES? And yet there is inevitably one such as being late to a lifestyle that can not compensate for the past, do not dream! I have also known some of the last days of resistance who would like to have butter and buttery money.
If the hygiene of life is the basic condition for good health, it can not be considered as solution to all the problems, because many of them are original rather obscure.
Who said it was the solution to ALL the problems? You! If it solved even half by preserving the immune system of the many attacks that we, and the modern system, make it suffer, it would not be bad!

I have already mentioned the case of a child asphyxiated at birth and which marked a huge growth retardation, because, and 8 years she still did not walk, despite toubib, kines and others, did not speak, did regular crises of convulsions. In less than a year, starting from advice of hygiene of life, she began to walk, to talk to the great surprise of the doctor, the Physiotherapist, the family. The thing was all the more difficult if the father was in favor, the mother was opposed in principle and it was a game of cat and mouse. But the girl's rapid progress was such and so rapid that she gradually rallied to it, which further accelerated the "resurrection" of their child.
And this is just one example among others lived personally or by testimonials.
What differentiates us is that you are in a school speech and I (and others) in the reality of the lived experience.
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by Obamot » 10/12/15, 18:32

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Janic wrote:But medicine is not limited to this aspect, other equally effective therapies, or even more, exist and freedom of conscience can not limit individuals to submit to the big pharma lobbies.


Example of Switzerland who is both a great seller of medicines and a great user of healers ...

This is true, just as there are doctors and even university hospitals, as much as for homeopathy (doctors FTMH duly certified who practice it).

At the limit what does not care about what is in the therapeutic arsenal, it is the result that counts.

Eliminating homeopathy would be a heresy moreover,> 30% positive results, and it would also be to deny the cutting edge of scientifically certified medical technology to do without it.
Totally stupid. (I do not intervene in the dedicated thread so it annoys me: Ôooooooooooooooomh!) : Cheesy:
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