Chernobyl: the nature she already takes her rights?

[Janic]

izentrop hello

Abiogenesis if you want, we know the mechanisms today

Nuance: it is believed to know some simple mechanisms like the experiments of Miller which did nothing but produce amino acids "dead" ie purely chemical as one synthesizes the vitamins currently. It is not life, quite the contrary since we realize "but a little late" that synthesis is most often (always) pathogenic.
Miller brought together existing elements to make it a part of a more complex whole (DNA). To take a comparison, it is as if a mason gathered cement, sand, water, stones, which mixed would give concrete! However, this does not give a construction! Yet even the most sophisticated of human achievements are desperately simple compared to the structure of living things, even when we consider our constructions as prodigies of technology.
Now abiogenesis tries to build the edifice of the living without masons, engineers and architects, everything being due to simple chance, forgiveness indeterminism !, "which does things so well".

and god only concerns those who believe in it.

As with all things! Some (very many) do not believe in ecology because they do not feel concerned by it! This does not prevent that beyond the I believe, I do not believe, the world suffers the consequences. Thus evolution is a hypothesis just as unpredictable as the existence of a will external to our system that Roddier or Guillemant calls information beyond space time. (another formulation of what cultures have called for generations god) Regardless, what matters is not a controlled designation like a pinard, but the role, the function of this… information in question.

The article on "4 preconceived ideas on Charles Darwin's theory of evolution" sets the record straight.

He does not put any pendulum on time, he is clearly anti without distinction as some are anti Islam because of the behavior of some unrepresentative of all Muslims.

"anti-religious" because religions are only the invention of men the better to enslave others.

This is not completely false because it is the lot of any instituted system and which we find in all human philosophies and, of course, in religion, in politics, in economics, in health, in philosophy obviously and that distinguishes each group from another. Does this, however, call into question Politics, Economy, Health, Religion, Philosophy (all human inventions too)? Atheism (which is just another system by contrast) is like in politics the right opposite the left (or the opposite whatever) allopathy to alternative medicine, astronomy to biology, etc… which are also only inventions of men intended to enslave, also, their speeches, other men and each speech will always find someone to join. The important thing is therefore not what humans say, but what they do and to use the formula " we recognize a tree with its fruits And not to his claim to be able to provide better than the tree does.

[izentrop]

abiogenesis tries to build the edifice of the living without masons, engineers and architects, everything being due to simple chance, sorry indeterminism!

We know a little more than that, there is only one piece of the puzzle missing.

All living organisms on Earth, as well as viruses, have a genetic heritage made up of nucleic acids - DNA or RNA2. RNA, considered to be more primitive, would have been one of the first characteristic molecules of life to appear on Earth. Scientists have long wondered about the origin of these biological molecules. According to some, the Earth was "seeded" by comets or asteroids containing the basic bricks necessary for their construction. And indeed, several amino acids (constituents of proteins) and nitrogenous bases (one of the constituents of nucleic acids) have already been found in meteorites, as well as in artificial comets, reproduced in the laboratory. However, ribose, the other key constituent of RNA, had never been detected in extraterrestrial material, nor produced in the laboratory under "astrophysical" conditions. By simulating the evolution of the interstellar ice making up comets, French research teams have succeeded in forming ribose - an important step in understanding the origin of RNA and therefore the origins of life.

http://www2.cnrs.fr/presse/communique/4497.htm

[izentrop]

Huh! not corrected in time : The last piece of the puzzle has been found (ribose), it is the proof of its origin which remains to be determined.

[Obamot]

pfff ...

abiogenesis tries to build the edifice of the living without masons, engineers and architects, everything being due to simple chance, sorry indeterminism!

only one piece of the puzzle is missing

...but yes but yes...

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will tell that to our biochemist and he will be laughed for at least a week ...

[...] On know a little more than that

«On"? Damn you are several? Pédro is coming back?

The last piece of the puzzle has been found (ribose), it is the proof of its origin which remains to be determined.

To date, NO living cell has ever been created ex nihilo in the lab by taking "the initial bricks of life" and assembling them (what you call the puzzle, it seems). Ribose has been known to us since 1908, oh well, in this regard ... you have nothing to tell us about oxygen?
You still make us bend with laughter with your peremptory statements ...

[raymon]

Sorry if already said but do not forget that most animals live a maximum of ten years and therefore illnesses linked to radiation are necessarily less visible than for humans and spontaneous abortion is difficult to count in the forest.

[Janic]

isentrop hello

janic wrote: abiogenesis is trying to build the edifice of life without masons, engineers and architects, everything being due to mere chance, sorry indeterminism!

We know a little more than that, there is only one piece of the puzzle missing.

We must not confuse the piece of the puzzle which goes into the composition of a huge puzzle and improves the perception of a small piece of a large whole. So yes, this can provide information and better knowledge of a very small part, but to use my mechanical analogies, add a particular part to an engine (like the increasing number of sensors which can only be functional with an on-board computer) that is not what can make it work.

All living organisms on Earth, as well as viruses, have a genetic heritage made up of nucleic acids - DNA or RNA2. RNA, considered to be more primitive, would have been one of the first molecules characteristic of life to appear on Earth. Scientists have long wondered about the origin of these biological molecules. According to some, the Earth would have been "Seeded" by comets or asteroids containing the basic bricks necessary for their construction. And indeed, several amino acids (constituents of proteins) and nitrogenous bases (one of the constituents of nucleic acids) have already been found in meteorites, as well as in artificial comets, reproduced in the laboratory. However, ribose, the other key constituent of RNA, had never been detected in extraterrestrial material, nor produced in the laboratory under "astrophysical" conditions. By simulating the evolution of interstellar ice making up comets, French research teams have succeeded in forming ribose - an important step in understanding the origin of RNA and therefore the origins of life.
http://www2.cnrs.fr/presse/communique/4497.htm
We are each time in announcement effects with "would have been" "would have been" seeded "which shows complete ignorance of how living particles became and under what real conditions (not in the lab of course !) Miller also simulated the conditions which would have been at the base of the constitution of the amino acids and he succeeded in obtaining these acids and that remained there because devoid of life too.
Biosynthesis
Ribose is produced in the cell by the pentose phosphate route, which is one of the main routes of energy metabolism (with glycolysis and the Entner-Doudoroff route). The first phase of this pathway, called the irreversible oxidative phase, produces ribulose-5-phospate from glucose-6-phosphate and generates two molecules of NADPH. Ribulose-5-phosphate (a ketose) then undergoes isomerization catalyzed by phosphopentose isomerase which gives ribose-5-phosphate (an aldose).
As said before, we must distinguish chemical synthesis from biosynthesis which involves actions that are impossible to reproduce in the lab and allow it to integrate harmoniously into organic functions and not disturb them.
For decades we have cried a miracle by the purely chemical reproduction of certain organic components and compounds and today there are more and more investigations and reports self-employed which question these artificial products because they disrupt organic and particularly hormonal functions (the most visible and obvious for the moment) or poison purely and simply living bodies. (all living beings on this earth, hence the ecology !)

[izentrop]

Announcement effect perhaps, but it all the same comes from the CNRS, not from the giggles and this hypothesis of the origin of life sown by comets is corroborated by scientists from different disciplines.

The theory of the supreme creator having created man in his image and nature in his service is still taking lead in the wing

Obamot, don't get tired

[Obamot]

And you, not already punctured alone against everyone? Why get tired

[...] do not forget that most animals live a maximum of ten years and therefore illnesses linked to radiation are necessarily less visible than for humans and spontaneous abortions are difficult to count in the forest.

Here is a logical and honest reasoning, which I appreciate and which it was not necessary to skew by a thousand detours just "to prove himself right"at all costs. It's not an argument Has Been geek nor a Voltairian alibi or what do I know! (lol) The harsh reality of the Chernobyl disaster.

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What exactly would you like to know Izentrop (?) Because the hypotheses that you formulate via copied / pasted are as usual, you contradict yourself endlessly ^^

Raymon, Janic, Did67 (etc) are not physicists, however they understood straight away.

[Obamot]

PS: The harsh reality of the Chernobyl disaster and the explanation of the proliferation of sick fauna explained in one sentence: no better!

[izentrop]

Sorry if already said but do not forget that most animals live a maximum of ten years and therefore illnesses linked to radiation are necessarily less visible than for humans and spontaneous abortion is difficult to count in the forest.

yes but life is also viruses, bacteria, insects, plants, molluscs ... ext.

Lives disturbed + or less by ionizing radiation. it is normal that studies are carried out to learn more and not to stay on images of Épinal