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Levothyrox and his victims




by Janic » 12/05/18, 14:13

this day on France 2 at 13h15
A documentary, investigation, on the patients victims of the new formula of Levothyrox intended to replace this one having lactose and which reaches the end of the duration of its patent in 2019 and which will become a generic competing with the new formula and which must be replaced by a new patent at a much more profitable cost for the industrialist.
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by izentrop » 13/05/18, 00:54

A lot of noise for a simple improvement of preservative excipients, with some gaps in the transmission of information, it does not take more to generate the rumor ... "correlation is not right"

Explanation here http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article2992
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by Janic » 13/05/18, 08:11

A lot of noise for a simple improvement of preservative excipients, with some gaps in the transmission of information, it does not take more to generate the rumor ... "correlation is not right"
especially the loss of a juicy business in sight! but this is only a passage because as soon as India, the largest manufacturer of generic, can manufacture it from 2019, the patients will turn to them and the problem will stop of itself.
Then, but your notion of improvement must actually be improved, an improvement usually results in a better, not a worse. Finally the rumor is that thousands of people are suffering, but the suffering of others seem to be indifferent, except your little person it seems!
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by izentrop » 13/05/18, 08:53

Janic wrote:Finally the rumor is that thousands of people are suffering, but the suffering of others seem to be indifferent, except your little person it seems!
Well then ! The classic trick not to lose face, to accuse the other of malicious, rather than to admit the reality.

A little realism, as for the electrosensibles would find the real origin of the suffering of these patients.
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by Janic » 13/05/18, 09:23

Janic wrote:
Finally the rumor is that thousands of people are suffering, but the suffering of others seem to be indifferent, except your little person it seems!

Well then ! The classic trick not to lose face, to accuse the other of malicious, rather than to admit the reality.

Who speaks of malevolence besides you? The reality is not zigotos that are hidden behind a computer, but the reality is on the ground!
A little realism, as for the electrosensibles would find the real origin of the suffering of these patients.
Realism is missing you! But, to go in your direction in part, it is actually the individuals who are the most sensitive who react, it is elementary, my dear ... Izentrop!
What is odd, all the same, is that the old product is available from our neighbors, but unavailable in France, (even though a factory producing these products is in France) if only for these hypersensitive, it is nevertheless the role of the health authorities to look after these particular cases too.
Here we find the same speech as on aluminum in vaccines! Assuming that it is only hypersensitive, other adjuvants eliminate any risk for all populations including hypersensitive. So this is not a technical impossibility, but a question of big money, as usual! But the extra care needed for these populations does not come out then, from the pocket of the labs, but the SS, ie the pockets of the community of contributors, it is at all a winner for the labs!
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by izentrop » 13/05/18, 15:49

Janic wrote:So this is not a technical impossibility, but a question of big money, as usual!
Yes, for the docu greedy audimat that you quoted, whose goal is to ride the chord, but without scientific basis or denigrating this aspect.

Another serious source that recalls the same elements as AFIS
The pharmacovigilance portal of the ANSM played its role: as soon as the patients learned through the press that they were able to report their undesirable effects, the number of reports jumped: it was multiplied by 80 in a few days and the proportion of reports by patients has increased from 5% in normal times to more than 90%. https://www.pourquoidocteur.fr/Articles ... xplication
This highlights the emotional side of the case : Mrgreen:

Let this sword stroke in the water return to oblivion. The courts have more serious issues waiting.
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by Janic » 14/05/18, 09:51

Janic wrote: So this is not a technical impossibility, but a question of big money, as usual!
Yes, for the docu greedy audimat that you quoted, whose goal is to ride the chord, but without scientific basis or denigrating this aspect.

If this zigoto did not exist it should be invented because in terms of aneries repetition, it is strong.
All docus are hungry for ratings, whether they are of this kind or worse when they are said to be official and worse still coming from the pseudo science which is characterized by its braying.
Another source serious which recalls the same elements as the AFIS

AFIS no more than this site why doctor has no official value! But in terms of recognition, by law, by the courts, these two sites have and will have no value of validity by their speeches.
The portal of pharmacovigilance of the ANSM played its role: as soon as the patients learned from the press that it was possible for them to report their adverse effects, the number of reports jumped: it was multiplied by 80 in a few days and the share of reports by patients went from 5% in normal times to more than 90%.
https://www.pourquoidocteur.fr/Articles ... xplication
This highlights the emotional side of the case
Officially and it is the same for all countries where pharmacovigilance exists, it is only between 1 and 10% that side effects are reported serious and these effects are only reported by the doctors, who are fed up with all the paperwork they are being asked to do, and they do not want to worry about reporting anything that would make them suspected of being anti-labs. or anti-vaccines as they are the ones who have serious side effects (like the Wakefield case and thankfully the courts have finally proved him right.)
http://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/actual ... othyroxine
It is much more serious and it is not the same speech as your sites.
As for this one, it is very good: "learned from the press that it was possible for them to "Since when do patients need the media to report their damaging side effects? the media have just served to crystallize a diffuse reality.
Then, of complainants were dismissed in court for lack of medical certificate involving the product. They do not take part in a scientific dimension, but what is legal or not, as the minister has noted.
So the bargain, most doctors, faced with a new product on the market, can not say that such or such a significant symptom can be directly or indirectly related to this product. Moreover, all those who see their doctor know that with each new medicine, the doctor tells them that if it does not go they come to tell him; in other words, you are the guinea pigs of the labs.
This new product may therefore require years before being really suspected of causing certain specific disorders and other years to be officially recognized, which may require tens of years depending on the opposition of the labs, while the old formula is still on the market and nothing prevents to prescribe the old rather than the new ... except reasons for profitability of a new patent, when the other arrives at the end of the race in 2019.
Let this sword stroke in the water return to oblivion. The courts have more serious issues waiting.
Are you now the adviser of the courts and the government to judge in their place and place of what emerges from their activity? What modesty !
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by izentrop » 06/06/18, 23:46

Janic wrote: Wakefield and thankfully the courts have finally proved him right
here then ! Do your blinkers still play you a bad trick? https://www.allodocteurs.fr/se-soigner/ ... 15701.html
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by Janic » 07/06/18, 08:09

Janic wrote:
Wakefield and thankfully the courts have finally given him reason!
Do your blinkers still play you a bad trick? https://www.allodocteurs.fr/se-soigner/ ... 15701.html

So do your blinkers play you a bad trick? but you prefer to spread these false allegations, of course. : Evil:

In his ruthless judgment of 70 pages, Sir John Mitting said that the charge against him did not stand up and he totally rejected the allegations of the journalist Brian Deer and those of the liberal democratic politician Evan Harris in the Sunday Times in 2004 , for it was shown that they were without any foundation. The judge added that the findings were based on "inadequate and superficial reasoning in many ways and that the final conclusion was false. "
The name Walker-Smith is thus cleansed of all suspicion. This conclusion is perfectly normal since the prosecution had no plaintiff, no harm had been done to the children, the parents had always supported the two doctors during their trial, on the contrary the benefits they had received from them. care at Royal Free Hospital.

While John Walker-Smith had received donations to appeal the decision of the College of Physicians, his co-author Andrew Wakefield, an exile in the United States, could not do the same because he could not afford to appeal to the High Court. However, this judgment fully relieves Dr. Wakefield of his misconduct and this year Dr. Wakefield, who is continuing his research in the United States, is suing pseudo-journalist Brian Deer, Dr. Fiona Godlee and the British Medical Journal for to have falsely accused him of "fraud" and to have multiplied their hateful attacks in order to destroy his career and his life.

As we have already announced, the trial will take place in Texas, where Wakefield currently lives. The court's decision on his colleague augurs well for the Deer complaint, on which all the GMC charges were based.


http://sylviesimonrevelations.over-blog ... 20786.html

March 12, 2013
Autism: Dr. Wakefield was right
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Two landmark events - a government grant (US Vaccine Tribunal), as well as a groundbreaking scientific document - confirm that the physician and scientist, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, director of the CMA, and parents Autistic children were right down the line.

In a recent court decision released on 13 December 2012, the court awarded hundreds of thousands of dollars to Ryan Mojabi [1] whose parents had explained how the MMR vaccine (Measles, Mumps Rubella) had caused in their child "serious and debilitating brain damage that was ultimately diagnosed as "Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD)".

Later that month, the government suffered a second major loss when young Emily from Houston was compensated for the brain damage that once again followed the MMR vaccine and led to autism of the girl.

http://expovaccins.over-blog.com/articl ... 31469.html

The following lawsuits were won in Italian and American courts: Hannah Poling [2], Bailey Banks [3], Misty Hyatt [4], Kienman Freeman [5], Valentino Bocca [6], and Julia Grimes [7]. In these different cases, governments or courts have either recognized or ruled that the vaccines caused brain damage. This damage led to a diagnosis of autism. The MMR vaccine is the common denominator of these different cases.

Today, scientists and doctors from Wake Forest University, New York, and Venezuela have made findings that not only confirm the presence of intestinal disease in children with autism and intestinal disorders but these findings also indicate that this may be a new disease. [8]

Using sophisticated laboratory methods, Dr. Steve Walker and his colleagues confirmed Dr. Wakefield's findings by showing the markedly abnormal molecular changes that had occurred in the intestinal tissues of children.

As early as 1998, Dr. Wakefield reported this condition in children with autism [9]. Based on the medical history of these children, he was able to establish a relationship between their disease (and their decline to autism) and the vaccine viruses of measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR vaccine). Since then, Dr. Wakefield has been the subject of incessant personal attacks by the media, governments, doctors and the pharmaceutical industry.

Dr. Wakefield, in Texas, initiated defamation proceedings against British journalist Brian Deer and the British Medical Journal in the face of patently false allegations of scientific fraud that damaged his reputation. [10]

While multiple studies from around the world have confirmed the intestinal disease that Wakefield has discovered in children with autism [11] and his opinion that the safety studies of the MMR are inadequate, Dr. Wakefield's career was destroyed by all these false allegations of fraud. Despite these difficult circumstances, Dr. Wakefield has never stopped working to try to solve the terrible catastrophe of autism.

Autism now affects about 1 child on 25. Meanwhile, governments fearing to lose public confidence and, without providing any explanation, persist in denying the relationship between immunization and autism, despite the concessions made by the court (specializing in vaccine problems).

Since his residency in Austin, Texas, Dr. Wakefield said, "There is very little doubt that vaccines can cause autism. In affected children, evidence of brain damage that occurs as a result of MMR is overwhelming. It's now a census question. The parents were right from the beginning. Governments must stop playing with words as the health of children continues to be damaged. I hope that the recognition of this intestinal disease of children will eventually lead to the relief of their suffering. It's been so long since we wait. "


http://expovaccins.over-blog.com/articl ... 31469.html
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Re: Levothyrox and his victims




by izentrop » 07/06/18, 10:07

Everyone will judge the veracity of your sources : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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