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by gegyx » 19/05/08, 23:23

The B license will suffice, or do you need the Caces Cat 6 in addition?

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Ah yes, and for technical control?
Will you have to "tinker"?
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by martien007 » 19/05/08, 23:27

gegyx wrote :
There are people who suffer because they live outside the zone, with precarious wages.
Because in winter, with a family, you have to heat yourself a minimum.


Exact, they have neither the internet nor the time to go chatting on the internet because they are exhausted and cannot make ends meet, which is not the case for Hulot, Jancovici or Borloo ... etc ... the list is very long.

My car is going to give up, and it pisses me off, to buy another small car, when I would like an electric for urban


You can't find a scrapped motor or gearbox. There are many, even when searching the internet, there are auto parts sales sites. What is your car?
If you know a nice mechanic, he can show you that without an invoice (too bad for VAT, big companies don't pay their charges and taxes .. then). I did this on my old car which is 19 years old for the gearbox and it still drives.

Capt_Maloche wrote:Well, you can do it ...

you buy a car in cheap condition with a broken engine
a fenwick electric motor coupled to the gearbox
and obviously a lot of batteries from the same fenwick with its integrated charging station

sure that you will not consume Diesel, but you will have to invest a little equipment ... handyman? : Cheesy:

Even if he succeeded, do you think that the Mines would accept such an arrangement?

They want to rejuvenate the car fleet at all costs, so the argument "modern people consume less" must revive the automotive industry and make bankers smile and debt buyers .... always the same song : Evil:
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by Capt_Maloche » 20/05/08, 08:55

Well, in this case you would not use any more fuel at all, this argument would not take long

you wouldn't have a pollution test either : Cheesy: Damn, there will be missing check boxes ....

When in mines, if the braking, the bodywork, the traffic lights are not modified, they will only measure the fiscal power (for your sticker :D )
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by AVEVA » 20/05/08, 11:57

to "martien007"

go to the AVEM website you should find what you are looking for!
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by martien007 » 20/05/08, 13:06

AVEVA wrote:to "martien007"

go to the AVEM website you should find what you are looking for!


please AVEVA, for me no problem I run on LPG: 0,75 euros / liter on average.

gegyx , for your electric car, the solution may be there:

http://www.newteon.com/www2/

they have a lot of classic models in electric mode, remains to be seen the price.
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by Remundo » 20/05/08, 15:06

Hi Martian,

However, specify that the consumption of LPG is increased by about 30%, therefore equivalent to 1 Euro / L of petrol.

But I agree, it's a little cheaper because untaxed, it pollutes less to particles.

However, that makes as much CO2 as conventional hydrocarbons, because ... LPG IS a fossil hydrocarbon : Idea:

From this point of view the solution is not in the fuel, but in the architecture of the vehicle, it takesplug-in hybrid.

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by martien007 » 20/05/08, 15:09

Small precision for the price of diesel:

- the price of diesel oil excluding TIPP and VAT is more expensive than gasoline by 16 cents euros (heard midday radio), but since the TIPP applied to diesel oil is lower than that of petrol, that compensates for where: diesel price = petrol price to within a few cents.

I see occasional Hdi vehicles on sale for more than 6 months in a used vehicle sales center; odd, but I think that from 150000 kms people are scared to buy an Hdi because in case of failure of injector or pump, it costs a fortune to repair.

For LPG, the TIPP is lower than that of petrol but the demand is less strong (the old ones which ran on LPG are often switched to diesesl with the new Hdi engines).
As a result, the price of LPG hardly changes: 0,66 euros / liter at Auchan, 0,80 on the highway.

Perhaps motorists will switch back to LPG?

I'm going to go see on GPL sites what they think about it.
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by tigrou_838 » 20/05/08, 15:21

and why not the CNG it would be even cheaper and simpler to refuel, directly on the compressor connected to the house for people who have city gas at home.

for pollution, I think that Natural Gas should pollute less than Liquid Petroleum Gas.

to check.

who can give info above.

tigrou : Mrgreen:
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by martien007 » 20/05/08, 16:18

Remundo wrote:Hi Martian,

However, specify that the consumption of LPG is increased by about 30%, therefore equivalent to 1 Euro / L of petrol.

But I agree, it's a little cheaper because untaxed, it pollutes less to particles.

However, that makes as much CO2 as conventional hydrocarbons, because ... LPG IS a fossil hydrocarbon : Idea:

From this point of view the solution is not in the fuel, but in the architecture of the vehicle, it takesplug-in hybrid.

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Okay for hydrocarbon and CO2, but I was only talking from a financial point of view, and despite the 20 to 30% surcharge it's cleaner (from what I've read on others sites, in particular no particles or benzene and other filth contained in gas oil - especially - and gasoline - harmful additive -).

I also read that Italy and Holland have a much larger LPG fleet than France, why?

You still have to see that the price of LPG at Leclerc or Auchan is 0,66 e / l, it is 2 times cheaper than diesel, so even with 20 to 30% of surplus it is profitable.

For E85 I think there is also a 20 to 30% surcharge?

Frankly I will buy the TOYOTA Prius well but too expensive and no possibility of putting a trailer hitch (because of the batteries I guess?).

Peugeot is not even going to develop lse hybrids planned in 2012 only for large sedans, so it's off to a bad start for plug-in hybrids.
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by martien007 » 20/05/08, 16:22

tigrou_838 wrote:and why not the CNG it would be even cheaper and simpler to refuel, directly on the compressor connected to the house for people who have city gas at home.

for pollution, I think that Natural Gas should pollute less than Liquid Petroleum Gas.

to check.

who can give info above.

tigrou : Mrgreen:


Yes Tigger, CNG is even better than LPG, but the only car available is a Citroën C3 and you need a compressor at home + a special subscription (package + mini monthly consumption at GDF that tyu pays even without driving .... I think) and above all a low range of 300 kms approximately, so you can only drive around your home (no CNG terminal in the stations !!), while with LPG you can go everywhere and in more with the gas tank, if you can't find LPG you fill up with gas and it rolls anyway.
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